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No Pat, you didn't ask me for books on pacifism. You asked for "specific examples that lead to extended periods of peace where there once was strife" and that's what I gave you. You can't dispute that those individuals- those books I mentioned- had a major impact on the world around them and have remained an inspiration to those who are looking for a non-military way of changing the world.
No doubt they were noble but in the end they are like the U.N. or a castrated bull. They can only advise.

I would be the first to say that there are times that non-violent protest is ineffectual. Nazi Germany is everyone's example and I agree. I probably would have volunteered to pick up a gun and fight the Nazis.
Ed you ought to go back and read what the pacifist were saying about Hitler back in the 40's.  Not a threat. 

The current state of affairs in the middle east is the result of warlords unable to think outside the box of tribal grievances.
Whoa Nellie, glad you simplified that to just a couple of troublesome warlords. I was beginning to think we were in big trouble


 If there were a Gandhi or a Martin Luther King on the world stage there who knows what kind of change might occur? Certainly, the way things are going- have gone- are not working there, and probably never will.
Earth to Ed. If you think either Gandhi or MLK would have been able to solve this situation you might as well drink the Koolaid now because you are not grasping the obvious. What magic spell do you think they would have up their sleeve?

I really encourage you to read and think outside of your usual sources of input. Pacifism is not a passive, apathetic philosophy. Pacifists have been tortured, beaten, and maligned for their actions throughout history and I'd argue with you that it takes more balls to be a principled pacifist than a gun-totin' zombie in the name of Allah, Jesus, or Zardoz.
Sound like they still have not learned from history. Ed what ended WWII? Ghandi? MLK? Had to throw Jesus in that mix, funny I have not seen any Christians cutting off innocent civilians heads in the name of Christ

Read about the Freedom Riders in the American south in the 1960's and ask yourself if you'd have half the balls those folks did....
Enlighten me

 

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