>With Jimmy Carter the most pathetic president the United States has known.

Damn, Pat, that was rough.  The man was brilliant in orchestrating his passion for people even moreso after his Presidency.  He actually uses his own two hands rather than Dubya paying people to make his [my] party look good.  Speaking of Dubya, I'm glad to see more Republican politicians now criticizing the Prez's role in the war and more not backing him up either.