Green Mtn
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It don't take much to scare you do it!And you can't be serious. Can you?You're sounding disingenuous**.peaceablyps In explanation, I just cannot figure out if you're feigning ignorance, or if you really don't
understand that you're a socialist*, and so is Shrub & his ilk. Of course, he's of the fascist
variety. Which your temper tends toward on occasion, "I wanna settle this permanently with
gun fire!!!". But then Stalin & Mao weren't opposed to some straight up killing, were they.
Which somewhat undermines the whole, "I'm a diversity tolerant progressive" labeling you
seem to wear at other times. So if the fact that I am not a socialist scares you, so be it. But
you should prolly take some comfort in the fact I'm not a fascist either, or we'd have to shoot it
out.
[ I don't know if you've thought of this but you prolly shouldn't bring a gun to a biological war.]
* Correct me if I am mistaken, but don't all socialist varietials support bigger and bigger
government solutions(sic). ** I just find it difficult to believe you don't know Gore has the same goals as the Bushies,
despite the rhetoric. Or, that they're both just tools(in every sense Ed-).This cat's long intro to the subject comes to mind; his conclusion of course, is wishful
thinking.
WND Exclusive Commentary Join forces against the North American Union
Posted: August 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. EasternRepublicans often complain about the bias of the liberal media. Democrats complain about the
right-wing airwaves. What neither of them understand is that there is no such thing as "liberal"
and "conservative" anymore. The mainstream media is simply a massive PR organ for the single
party that rules the country; this is true of both the "liberal" institutions such as the New York
Times and the "conservative" ones such as Fox News and the Wall Street Journal.This assertion may contradict your understanding of how politics is supposed to work in this
country, but if you simply take the time to look around you and consider the evidence that is
right in front of your eyes, it is impossible to reach any other conclusion. How else does one
explain the fact that the first thing Republicans do when elected is to abandon their
republicanism, while the first thing Democrats do upon taking power is to immediately
embrace the policies of their predecessors? Why would the Washington Post, a nominally
"liberal" newspaper, refuse to even mention Ron Paul's name when reporting the results of the
Iowa straw poll, mysteriously leaping from the sixth place finisher to the fourth?The ruling party is nameless. Paul Craig Roberts and Patrick J. Buchanan refer to it as the War
Party, but that is only a description of one of its many interests, a better one would be the PoG,
the Party of Government. Democrats and Republicans alike belong to it; the fact that more
grassroots Democrats are inclined to favor large government is irrelevant as members of the
PoG are as happy to run roughshod over their campaign promises to Democrats as they are to
those made to Republicans. One need only visit the many left-wing sites to realize that their
sense of betrayal by the Democratic House and Senate in supporting the continuation of the
Iraqi occupation is as great as that suffered by Republicans who naively voted for Bush and his
"strong government" regime.
The Republican and Democratic parties are best understood as two rival factions of one party
working toward a shared goal. They may have slightly different ideas about the ideal way to
get there, but their long term goals are identical. Democrat Bill Clinton labored hard for
NAFTA, Republican George Bush has pushed for the Free Trade Area of the Americas, and it
does not matter which faction is nominally in charge when the time comes to end American
sovereignty once and for all in signing on to the North American Union. Mathematical
probability suggests that it is not a coincidence that in a country of 300 million people, 2008
will see the election of the fourth Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton president.The NAU is not a fiction; similar regional governments are already planned for other areas of
the globe. The European Union is far ahead of its North American counterpart, but so is the
lesser known African Union. The South American Union, on the other hand, lags slightly
behind, while the Asian Union is so much less developed that it is still called the Asia
Cooperation Dialogue. It seems the memories of how the last Greater Asian Co-Prosperity
Sphere turned out has inspired a little more resistance in Asia than in the rest of the world.This is the only issue that truly matters. All other subjects, from hot button 2008 matters such
as immigration and the Iraqi occupation to traditional battlegrounds like abortion and civil
rights, are irrelevant in comparison. Once the Union is established, an unelected commission
selected by the various national congresses will make all of the significant political decisions;
the democratic will of the people will have about as much influence on the commission as it
has on Supreme Court judges today.Of course, it is far too early to expect liberal Americans and conservative Americans to put
their legitimate and very serious differences aside in the interest of defending their national
sovereignty, their Constitution and their democratic rights. But it is manifestly in the interest of
even the most left-wing cultural liberal to support a right-to-life Republican who stands for
national sovereignty, just as the most right-wing tax crusader must understand that he is
better off voting for a big-spending, affirmative-action Democrat who believes in national
independence than a Republican like George Bush.As the two factions continue to converge into one Unionist party, a third party will eventually
emerge. It will be made up of left-wing anarchists and right-wing radicals; it will contain
Communists and libertarians; it will have blacks, Jews and John Birch Society members. There
will be atheists, and there will be Christians. The one thing, the only thing, they will have in
common is that on this one, vital political issue they will be Americans first.It's not too soon to start.
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
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It don't take much to scare you do it!And you can't be serious. Can you?You're sounding disingenuous**.peaceablyps In explanation, I just cannot figure out if you're feigning ignorance, or if you really don't
understand that you're a socialist*, and so is Shrub & his ilk. Of course, he's of the fascist
variety. Which your temper tends toward on occasion, "I wanna settle this permanently with
gun fire!!!". But then Stalin & Mao weren't opposed to some straight up killing, were they.
Which somewhat undermines the whole, "I'm a diversity tolerant progressive" labeling you
seem to wear at other times. So if the fact that I am not a socialist scares you, so be it. But
you should prolly take some comfort in the fact I'm not a fascist either, or we'd have to shoot it
out.
[ I don't know if you've thought of this but you prolly shouldn't bring a gun to a biological war.]
* Correct me if I am mistaken, but don't all socialist varietials support bigger and bigger
government solutions(sic). ** I just find it difficult to believe you don't know Gore has the same goals as the Bushies,
despite the rhetoric. Or, that they're both just tools(in every sense Ed-).This cat's long intro to the subject comes to mind; his conclusion of course, is wishful
thinking.
WND Exclusive Commentary Join forces against the North American Union
Posted: August 13, 2007
1:00 a.m. EasternRepublicans often complain about the bias of the liberal media. Democrats complain about the
right-wing airwaves. What neither of them understand is that there is no such thing as "liberal"
and "conservative" anymore. The mainstream media is simply a massive PR organ for the single
party that rules the country; this is true of both the "liberal" institutions such as the New York
Times and the "conservative" ones such as Fox News and the Wall Street Journal.This assertion may contradict your understanding of how politics is supposed to work in this
country, but if you simply take the time to look around you and consider the evidence that is
right in front of your eyes, it is impossible to reach any other conclusion. How else does one
explain the fact that the first thing Republicans do when elected is to abandon their
republicanism, while the first thing Democrats do upon taking power is to immediately
embrace the policies of their predecessors? Why would the Washington Post, a nominally
"liberal" newspaper, refuse to even mention Ron Paul's name when reporting the results of the
Iowa straw poll, mysteriously leaping from the sixth place finisher to the fourth?The ruling party is nameless. Paul Craig Roberts and Patrick J. Buchanan refer to it as the War
Party, but that is only a description of one of its many interests, a better one would be the PoG,
the Party of Government. Democrats and Republicans alike belong to it; the fact that more
grassroots Democrats are inclined to favor large government is irrelevant as members of the
PoG are as happy to run roughshod over their campaign promises to Democrats as they are to
those made to Republicans. One need only visit the many left-wing sites to realize that their
sense of betrayal by the Democratic House and Senate in supporting the continuation of the
Iraqi occupation is as great as that suffered by Republicans who naively voted for Bush and his
"strong government" regime.
The Republican and Democratic parties are best understood as two rival factions of one party
working toward a shared goal. They may have slightly different ideas about the ideal way to
get there, but their long term goals are identical. Democrat Bill Clinton labored hard for
NAFTA, Republican George Bush has pushed for the Free Trade Area of the Americas, and it
does not matter which faction is nominally in charge when the time comes to end American
sovereignty once and for all in signing on to the North American Union. Mathematical
probability suggests that it is not a coincidence that in a country of 300 million people, 2008
will see the election of the fourth Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton president.The NAU is not a fiction; similar regional governments are already planned for other areas of
the globe. The European Union is far ahead of its North American counterpart, but so is the
lesser known African Union. The South American Union, on the other hand, lags slightly
behind, while the Asian Union is so much less developed that it is still called the Asia
Cooperation Dialogue. It seems the memories of how the last Greater Asian Co-Prosperity
Sphere turned out has inspired a little more resistance in Asia than in the rest of the world.This is the only issue that truly matters. All other subjects, from hot button 2008 matters such
as immigration and the Iraqi occupation to traditional battlegrounds like abortion and civil
rights, are irrelevant in comparison. Once the Union is established, an unelected commission
selected by the various national congresses will make all of the significant political decisions;
the democratic will of the people will have about as much influence on the commission as it
has on Supreme Court judges today.Of course, it is far too early to expect liberal Americans and conservative Americans to put
their legitimate and very serious differences aside in the interest of defending their national
sovereignty, their Constitution and their democratic rights. But it is manifestly in the interest of
even the most left-wing cultural liberal to support a right-to-life Republican who stands for
national sovereignty, just as the most right-wing tax crusader must understand that he is
better off voting for a big-spending, affirmative-action Democrat who believes in national
independence than a Republican like George Bush.As the two factions continue to converge into one Unionist party, a third party will eventually
emerge. It will be made up of left-wing anarchists and right-wing radicals; it will contain
Communists and libertarians; it will have blacks, Jews and John Birch Society members. There
will be atheists, and there will be Christians. The one thing, the only thing, they will have in
common is that on this one, vital political issue they will be Americans first.It's not too soon to start.
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
