GERALD POSNER
The CIA's Destroyed Interrogation Tapes and the Saudi-Pakistani 9/11 Connection
Posted December 7, 2007 | 03:25 PM (EST)
On December 5, the CIA's director, General Michael V. Hayden, issued a statement disclosing that
in 2005 at least two videotapes of interrogations with al Qaeda prisoners were destroyed. The
tapes, which the CIA did not provide to either the 9/11 Commission, nor to a federal court in the
case of Zacarias Moussaoui, were destroyed, claimed Hayden, to protect the safety of undercover
operatives.
Hayden did not disclose one of the al Qaeda suspects whose tapes were destroyed. But he did
identify the other. It was Abu Zubaydah, the top ranking terror suspect when he was tracked and
captured in Pakistan in 2003. In September 2006, at a press conference in which he defended
American interrogation techniques, President Bush also mentioned Abu Zubaydah by name. Bush
acknowledged that Zubaydah, who was wounded when captured, did not initially cooperate with his
interrogators, but that eventually when he did talk, his information was, according to Bush, "quite
important."
In my 2003 New York Times bestseller, Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11, I
discussed
Abu Zubaydah at length in Chapter 19, "The Interrogation." There I set forth how Zubaydah initially
refused to help his American captors. Also, disclosed was how U.S. intelligence established a so-
called "fake flag" operation, in which the wounded Zubaydah was transferred to Afghanistan under
the ruse that he had actually been turned over to the Saudis. The Saudis had him on a wanted list,
and the Americans believed that Zubaydah, fearful of torture and death at the hands of the Saudis,
would start talking when confronted by U.S. agents playing the role of Saudi intelligence officers.
Instead, when confronted by his "Saudi" interrogators, Zubaydah showed no fear. Instead,
according to the two U.S. intelligence sources that provided me the details, he seemed relieved.
The man who had been reluctant to even confirm his identity to his U.S. captors, suddenly talked
animatedly. He was happy to see them, he said, because he feared the Americans would kill him. He
then asked his interrogators to call a senior member of the Saudi royal family. And Zubaydah
provided a private home number and a cell phone number from memory. "He will tell you what to
do," Zubaydah assured them
That man was Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul-Aziz, one of King Fahd's nephews, and the
chairman of the largest Saudi publishing empire. Later, American investigators would determine
that Prince Ahmed had been in the U.S. on 9/11.
American interrogators used painkillers to induce Zubaydah to talk -- they gave him the meds
when he cooperated, and withdrew them when he was quiet. They also utilized a thiopental sodium
drip (a so-called truth serum). Several hours after he first fingered Prince Ahmed, his captors
challenged the information, and said that since he had disparaged the Saudi royal family, he would
be executed. It was at that point that some of the secrets of 9/11 came pouring out. In a short
monologue, that one investigator told me was the "Rosetta Stone" of 9/11, Zubaydah laid out
details of how he and the al Qaeda hierarchy had been supported at high levels inside the Saudi and
Pakistan governments.
He named two other Saudi princes, and also the chief of Pakistan's air force, as his major
contacts.
Moreover, he stunned his interrogators, by charging that two of the men, the King's nephew, and
the Pakistani Air Force chief, knew a major terror operation was planned for America on 9/11.
It would be nice to further investigate the men named by Zubaydah, but that is not possible.
All
four identified by Zubaydah are now dead. As for the three Saudi princes, the King's 43-year-old
nephew, Prince Ahmed, died of either a heart attack or blood clot, depending on which report you
believe, after having liposuction in Riyadh's top hospital; the second, 41-year-old Prince Sultan bin
Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, died the following day in a one car accident, on his way to the funeral of
Prince Ahmed; and one week later, the third Saudi prince named by Zubaydah, 25-year-old Prince
Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, died, according to the Saudi Royal Court, "of thirst." The head of
Pakistan's Air Force, Mushaf Ali Mir, was the last to go. He died, together with his wife and fifteen of
his top aides, when his plane blew up -- suspected as sabotage -- in February 2003. Pakistan's
investigation of the explosion -- if one was even done -- has never been made public.
Zubaydah is the only top al Queda operative who has secretly linked two of America's closest
allies
in the war on terror -- Saudi Arabia and Pakistan -- to the 9/11 attacks. Why does Bush, and the
CIA, continue to protect the Saudi Royal family and the Pakistani military, from the implications of
Zubaydah's confessions? It is, or course, because the Bush administration desperately needs
Pakistani and Saudi help, not only to keep Afghanistan from spinning completely out of control, but
also as counterweights to the growing power of Iran. The Sunni governments in Riyadh and
Islamabad have as much to fear from a resurgent Iran as does the Bush administration. But does
this mean that leads about the origins of 9/11 should not be aggressively pursued? Of course not.
But this is precisely what the Bush administration is doing. And now the cover-up is enhanced by
the CIA's destruction of Zubaydah's interrogation tapes.
The American public deserves no less than the complete truth about 9/11. And those CIA
officials
now complicit in hiding the truth by destroying key evidence should be held responsible.
B
Baerwald
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GERALD POSNER
The CIA's Destroyed Interrogation Tapes and the Saudi-Pakistani 9/11 Connection
Posted December 7, 2007 | 03:25 PM (EST)
On December 5, the CIA's director, General Michael V. Hayden, issued a statement disclosing that
in 2005 at least two videotapes of interrogations with al Qaeda prisoners were destroyed. The
tapes, which the CIA did not provide to either the 9/11 Commission, nor to a federal court in the
case of Zacarias Moussaoui, were destroyed, claimed Hayden, to protect the safety of undercover
operatives.
Hayden did not disclose one of the al Qaeda suspects whose tapes were destroyed. But he did
identify the other. It was Abu Zubaydah, the top ranking terror suspect when he was tracked and
captured in Pakistan in 2003. In September 2006, at a press conference in which he defended
American interrogation techniques, President Bush also mentioned Abu Zubaydah by name. Bush
acknowledged that Zubaydah, who was wounded when captured, did not initially cooperate with his
interrogators, but that eventually when he did talk, his information was, according to Bush, "quite
important."
In my 2003 New York Times bestseller, Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11, I
discussed
Abu Zubaydah at length in Chapter 19, "The Interrogation." There I set forth how Zubaydah initially
refused to help his American captors. Also, disclosed was how U.S. intelligence established a so-
called "fake flag" operation, in which the wounded Zubaydah was transferred to Afghanistan under
the ruse that he had actually been turned over to the Saudis. The Saudis had him on a wanted list,
and the Americans believed that Zubaydah, fearful of torture and death at the hands of the Saudis,
would start talking when confronted by U.S. agents playing the role of Saudi intelligence officers.
Instead, when confronted by his "Saudi" interrogators, Zubaydah showed no fear. Instead,
according to the two U.S. intelligence sources that provided me the details, he seemed relieved.
The man who had been reluctant to even confirm his identity to his U.S. captors, suddenly talked
animatedly. He was happy to see them, he said, because he feared the Americans would kill him. He
then asked his interrogators to call a senior member of the Saudi royal family. And Zubaydah
provided a private home number and a cell phone number from memory. "He will tell you what to
do," Zubaydah assured them
That man was Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul-Aziz, one of King Fahd's nephews, and the
chairman of the largest Saudi publishing empire. Later, American investigators would determine
that Prince Ahmed had been in the U.S. on 9/11.
American interrogators used painkillers to induce Zubaydah to talk -- they gave him the meds
when he cooperated, and withdrew them when he was quiet. They also utilized a thiopental sodium
drip (a so-called truth serum). Several hours after he first fingered Prince Ahmed, his captors
challenged the information, and said that since he had disparaged the Saudi royal family, he would
be executed. It was at that point that some of the secrets of 9/11 came pouring out. In a short
monologue, that one investigator told me was the "Rosetta Stone" of 9/11, Zubaydah laid out
details of how he and the al Qaeda hierarchy had been supported at high levels inside the Saudi and
Pakistan governments.
He named two other Saudi princes, and also the chief of Pakistan's air force, as his major
contacts.
Moreover, he stunned his interrogators, by charging that two of the men, the King's nephew, and
the Pakistani Air Force chief, knew a major terror operation was planned for America on 9/11.
It would be nice to further investigate the men named by Zubaydah, but that is not possible.
All
four identified by Zubaydah are now dead. As for the three Saudi princes, the King's 43-year-old
nephew, Prince Ahmed, died of either a heart attack or blood clot, depending on which report you
believe, after having liposuction in Riyadh's top hospital; the second, 41-year-old Prince Sultan bin
Faisal bin Turki al-Saud, died the following day in a one car accident, on his way to the funeral of
Prince Ahmed; and one week later, the third Saudi prince named by Zubaydah, 25-year-old Prince
Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, died, according to the Saudi Royal Court, "of thirst." The head of
Pakistan's Air Force, Mushaf Ali Mir, was the last to go. He died, together with his wife and fifteen of
his top aides, when his plane blew up -- suspected as sabotage -- in February 2003. Pakistan's
investigation of the explosion -- if one was even done -- has never been made public.
Zubaydah is the only top al Queda operative who has secretly linked two of America's closest
allies
in the war on terror -- Saudi Arabia and Pakistan -- to the 9/11 attacks. Why does Bush, and the
CIA, continue to protect the Saudi Royal family and the Pakistani military, from the implications of
Zubaydah's confessions? It is, or course, because the Bush administration desperately needs
Pakistani and Saudi help, not only to keep Afghanistan from spinning completely out of control, but
also as counterweights to the growing power of Iran. The Sunni governments in Riyadh and
Islamabad have as much to fear from a resurgent Iran as does the Bush administration. But does
this mean that leads about the origins of 9/11 should not be aggressively pursued? Of course not.
But this is precisely what the Bush administration is doing. And now the cover-up is enhanced by
the CIA's destruction of Zubaydah's interrogation tapes.
The American public deserves no less than the complete truth about 9/11. And those CIA
officials
now complicit in hiding the truth by destroying key evidence should be held responsible.
