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"And what are they frightened and angry about?"
Normal stuff, losing their job, their retirement money, not being able to make ends meet. Also I think losing their faith in their government scares them. That whole dance the state legislature did to take away Mitt Romney's ability to appoint somebody to that senate seat and then changing that back when they had a Democrat in office horrified a lot of people in Massachusetts. The local politicians here basically said to the people that voted them in "F-You if you don't like it! Who are you to question us!", people here are mostly deep blue Democrats but they are not stupid or ignorant and yeah, there is a sense, and a righteous one at that, that elected officials that think they can rig the game (and right out in the open!) should be punished. You need to understand that the Democrats built this backlash themselves. You can try to blame the voters but the fact is the Democrats blew this thing on their own, it was their seat to lose and they did all they could to lose it.
"Go a little behind that statement and it has everything to do with people being willfully ignorant, selfish, and stupid: happy to align themselves with corporate fascists like Glenn Beck and Rupert Murdoch, to trade their abilities for critical thinking or curiosity about 'bigger pictures' for a sense of self-righteous indignation and revenge."
Um, not in Massachusetts to any great extent. I don't think you would find a lot of Glenn Beck fans here or people that would have any praise for Rupert Murdoch. I'd also wager a guess that we have a pretty high percentage of voters that actually practice critical thinking and have a deep well of curiosity. This is an educated state Ed and I think they were looking at the bigger picture here in their own state and perhaps letting those in DC know that "Change" can come anywhere at anytime. Also I think many of the people that voted for Brown clearly understood this guy has to run for reelection in 2012 so his term will be short and if they don't like what he does...out he goes fairly quickly. I listened to a lot of Democrats here really in deep despair over their inability to support Coakley and their disgust with what happened with her campaign. When people asked me about it I said over and over I can't support either one of these candidates. I won't support the kind of trash politics the Democrats brought to this race and I did not buy Scott Brown as the "Great guy that lives next door to you and drives his old truck" thing. Other people kept saying how much they liked him when they met him though. It reminded me of Bill Clinton in a way, a guy that seemed like a slime when he was running for president but when he got people in a room or up close to him he charmed the pants off them. Brown was a natural candidate, a natural in front of people, and Coakley exhibited no clue she had to win over voters. I think they ran a soft campaign up until the debate because they just thought there was no way she could lose. Shame on them.
"These tea-partiers have no 'better ideas': they have no ideas at all."
In this state Ed, "Tea Party" still refers to something else. There was however a Tea Party candidate and here he is:
http://joekennedyforsenate.com/
He got I think about 25,000 votes and that number is probably pretty accurate as to how many people in this state buy into that Tea Party crap. So, yeah, amongst our deep blue populace of 6.5 million there are some 25,000 noisy nuts that call talk radio to rant, act like morons, and sit at home cheering the Glenn Beck show. Let's not try to say Massachusetts has suddenly become Alabama.
"They hate Obama just because he's Obama. They hated Clinton (both Clintons) and they still hate Jimmy Carter."
All of those guys won this state when they ran, Ed. You are not going to find a lot of "hate" for them here. In fact, they are pretty well loved around these parts. Not that I think "loving" a politician is a great idea either, I sort of think they should be observed and tolerated if they seem to be doing a decent job. Loving them seems insane but that's just me I guess.
Mostly Ed, I think you seem a little angry but I think your anger, like a lot of anger, is misdirected at voters you believe to be "ignorant" because that suits a general theory about our country but in this case the truth (with a big T) is the Democrats blew it...you should be mad at them.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
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"And what are they frightened and angry about?"
Normal stuff, losing their job, their retirement money, not being able to make ends meet. Also I think losing their faith in their government scares them. That whole dance the state legislature did to take away Mitt Romney's ability to appoint somebody to that senate seat and then changing that back when they had a Democrat in office horrified a lot of people in Massachusetts. The local politicians here basically said to the people that voted them in "F-You if you don't like it! Who are you to question us!", people here are mostly deep blue Democrats but they are not stupid or ignorant and yeah, there is a sense, and a righteous one at that, that elected officials that think they can rig the game (and right out in the open!) should be punished. You need to understand that the Democrats built this backlash themselves. You can try to blame the voters but the fact is the Democrats blew this thing on their own, it was their seat to lose and they did all they could to lose it.
"Go a little behind that statement and it has everything to do with people being willfully ignorant, selfish, and stupid: happy to align themselves with corporate fascists like Glenn Beck and Rupert Murdoch, to trade their abilities for critical thinking or curiosity about 'bigger pictures' for a sense of self-righteous indignation and revenge."
Um, not in Massachusetts to any great extent. I don't think you would find a lot of Glenn Beck fans here or people that would have any praise for Rupert Murdoch. I'd also wager a guess that we have a pretty high percentage of voters that actually practice critical thinking and have a deep well of curiosity. This is an educated state Ed and I think they were looking at the bigger picture here in their own state and perhaps letting those in DC know that "Change" can come anywhere at anytime. Also I think many of the people that voted for Brown clearly understood this guy has to run for reelection in 2012 so his term will be short and if they don't like what he does...out he goes fairly quickly. I listened to a lot of Democrats here really in deep despair over their inability to support Coakley and their disgust with what happened with her campaign. When people asked me about it I said over and over I can't support either one of these candidates. I won't support the kind of trash politics the Democrats brought to this race and I did not buy Scott Brown as the "Great guy that lives next door to you and drives his old truck" thing. Other people kept saying how much they liked him when they met him though. It reminded me of Bill Clinton in a way, a guy that seemed like a slime when he was running for president but when he got people in a room or up close to him he charmed the pants off them. Brown was a natural candidate, a natural in front of people, and Coakley exhibited no clue she had to win over voters. I think they ran a soft campaign up until the debate because they just thought there was no way she could lose. Shame on them.
"These tea-partiers have no 'better ideas': they have no ideas at all."
In this state Ed, "Tea Party" still refers to something else. There was however a Tea Party candidate and here he is:
http://joekennedyforsenate.com/
He got I think about 25,000 votes and that number is probably pretty accurate as to how many people in this state buy into that Tea Party crap. So, yeah, amongst our deep blue populace of 6.5 million there are some 25,000 noisy nuts that call talk radio to rant, act like morons, and sit at home cheering the Glenn Beck show. Let's not try to say Massachusetts has suddenly become Alabama.
"They hate Obama just because he's Obama. They hated Clinton (both Clintons) and they still hate Jimmy Carter."
All of those guys won this state when they ran, Ed. You are not going to find a lot of "hate" for them here. In fact, they are pretty well loved around these parts. Not that I think "loving" a politician is a great idea either, I sort of think they should be observed and tolerated if they seem to be doing a decent job. Loving them seems insane but that's just me I guess.
Mostly Ed, I think you seem a little angry but I think your anger, like a lot of anger, is misdirected at voters you believe to be "ignorant" because that suits a general theory about our country but in this case the truth (with a big T) is the Democrats blew it...you should be mad at them.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
posted 2010.01.20
posted on January 20th 2010
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A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – randym on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – cassandra on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – rosskolnikov on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – randym on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – rosskolnikov on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – randym on January 20th, 2010
There is a message... – Reg on January 20th, 2010-
Re: There is a message... – edlorah on January 20th, 2010-
Re: There is a stain... – messybear on January 20th, 2010-
Re: There is a stain... [P.S.] – messybear on January 22nd, 2010
Easy now, Ed... – Reg on January 20th, 2010-
Re: Easy now, Ed... – Baerwald on January 20th, 2010
Re: Easy now, Ed... – edlorah on January 20th, 2010-
Re: Easy now, Ed... – cassandra on January 20th, 2010
I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – Reg on January 22nd, 2010-
Re: I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – edlorah on January 22nd, 2010-
Re: I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – Reg on January 22nd, 2010-
Re: I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – edlorah on January 22nd, 2010
Re: I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – MJG on January 22nd, 2010-
Re: I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – edlorah on January 22nd, 2010-
Re: I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – messybear on January 22nd, 2010-
Re: I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – Herring405 on January 22nd, 2010-
Take care of – Andrea on January 29th, 2010
Re: I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – messybear on January 29th, 2010-
Re: I'd say you need to think about things a bit, Ed... – Herring405 on January 29th, 2010
Don't be easy now, Ed, you're right... – Peter T. on January 20th, 2010-
Re: Don't be easy now, Ed, you're right... – pkjensen on January 20th, 2010
Re: Don't be easy now, Ed, you're right... – edlorah on January 21st, 2010-
EdLo EdLo you misguided child – randym on January 23rd, 2010-
Re: EdLo EdLo you misguided child – edlorah on January 25th, 2010-
Re: EdLo EdLo you misguided child – mick on January 27th, 2010
Paper Panther babeeeee – Andrea on January 29th, 2010
Let it go Ed – randym on January 20th, 2010-
Re: Let it go Ed – Baerwald on January 21st, 2010-
Re: Let it go Ed – edlorah on January 21st, 2010
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – edlorah on January 20th, 2010
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – Eugene on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – Peter T. on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – Eugene on January 21st, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – Baerwald on January 21st, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – edlorah on January 21st, 2010-
Re: Message with Brown Mass – messybear on January 21st, 2010
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – rosskolnikov on January 21st, 2010-
Re: A message beset wit own ass – messybear on January 21st, 2010
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – edlorah on January 21st, 2010
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – cassandra on January 21st, 2010-
Re: is being sent in – messybear on January 21st, 2010
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – cassandra on January 21st, 2010
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – rosskolnikov on January 21st, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – heathcliffe on January 21st, 2010
I'd say... – Reg on January 22nd, 2010-
Re: I'd say... – edlorah on January 22nd, 2010-
Re: I'd say... – Herring405 on January 22nd, 2010
Re: I'd say... – Marc on January 23rd, 2010
Re: I'd say ... – messybear on January 23rd, 2010
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – edlorah on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – mick on January 20th, 2010
Re: message in a bottle – messybear on January 20th, 2010
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – cassandra on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – MJG on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – cassandra on January 20th, 2010-
Re: A message is being sent with Brown's win in Mass – MJG on January 20th, 2010
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