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Well, flawed or not the message that An Inconvenient Truth was made to
deliver is quite important and the film does make the points it needs to.
This is where the IMF report becomes pretty interesting/frightening. I'm not
sure how well researched their report is but the key issue they have is a two
degree swing in the temperature of the planet. The goal as they state it is
to work toward only a 2 degree rise but if we hit the 4 degree rise they
fear...pretty much there will be mass devastation of I believe third world
countries and that will lead to some rather giant problems for the rest of
the planet. The big issue they have with subsidies is obviously it promotes the use of
fossil fuels because people can continue to get them cheap and so there is
much less incentive to move away from them. I see their points but there are
obvious issues with what they are saying in terms of moving people quickly
away from fossil fuels. The panic here is that we are making this move too
late and should have started the process really back in the 1970s. You just
can't build the infrastructure and create conversion programs fast enough
now...particularly in third world countries that are way behind when the
world economic forecast is a bit of a mess. I did not read the report either just the summary in the Washington
Post...which is probably all you really need to read about it. "First is the fuel subsidies seen in the developing world and in the Middle
East, which strongly encourage increased and indiscriminate consumption of
fossil fuels. The other was that lack of a carbon tax in the developed world.
It think that's a more problematic conclusion, but it may well be correct."-
RossThat's it in a nutshell, yes, but the reason for the report is the climate
change crisis which unfortunately was propagandized as a myth for political
purposes in this country by some total loons on the right...with a degree of
success. I don't say that to rub anybody's nose in the fact that they were
wrong or being lied to but rather just to point out how unfortunate it is
that we have to drag some people kicking and screaming into the light. It also goes to the sad truth of the nature of human beings that we tend not
to do anything until it has become a crisis.
"The thing is, the mix of fuels in the transportation supply is about to
change quite a bit."-RossWell it has to and wouldn't you say that there is something very specific
driving that change?
"Discovery of unconventionals, new biofuels, and copious quantities of shale
gas will have an enormous effect on the fuel mix over the the next 20
years."-RossHow old would you say some of these discoveries are? Do you think they are
now being fast tracked into use because we/the people that need to have come
to terms with the truth about our addiction to fossil fuels? "And that effect could last for another 100 years or more."I do think there are some positives in play here."I didn't see the IMF report taking into account a mix of cleaner burning
fuels that will begin showing up in the developed world sooner rather than
later." -RossWell I think that is because it is something they can't yet calculate and I
think the push is to get people to come to terms with our "fossil fuel
addiction" which honestly requires quite a bit of education and overcoming
the bad propaganda that has been put out there about it. Like all addicts I think the first thing we all have to do is admit we have a
problem.
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
Reg
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Well, flawed or not the message that An Inconvenient Truth was made to
deliver is quite important and the film does make the points it needs to.
This is where the IMF report becomes pretty interesting/frightening. I'm not
sure how well researched their report is but the key issue they have is a two
degree swing in the temperature of the planet. The goal as they state it is
to work toward only a 2 degree rise but if we hit the 4 degree rise they
fear...pretty much there will be mass devastation of I believe third world
countries and that will lead to some rather giant problems for the rest of
the planet. The big issue they have with subsidies is obviously it promotes the use of
fossil fuels because people can continue to get them cheap and so there is
much less incentive to move away from them. I see their points but there are
obvious issues with what they are saying in terms of moving people quickly
away from fossil fuels. The panic here is that we are making this move too
late and should have started the process really back in the 1970s. You just
can't build the infrastructure and create conversion programs fast enough
now...particularly in third world countries that are way behind when the
world economic forecast is a bit of a mess. I did not read the report either just the summary in the Washington
Post...which is probably all you really need to read about it. "First is the fuel subsidies seen in the developing world and in the Middle
East, which strongly encourage increased and indiscriminate consumption of
fossil fuels. The other was that lack of a carbon tax in the developed world.
It think that's a more problematic conclusion, but it may well be correct."-
RossThat's it in a nutshell, yes, but the reason for the report is the climate
change crisis which unfortunately was propagandized as a myth for political
purposes in this country by some total loons on the right...with a degree of
success. I don't say that to rub anybody's nose in the fact that they were
wrong or being lied to but rather just to point out how unfortunate it is
that we have to drag some people kicking and screaming into the light. It also goes to the sad truth of the nature of human beings that we tend not
to do anything until it has become a crisis.
"The thing is, the mix of fuels in the transportation supply is about to
change quite a bit."-RossWell it has to and wouldn't you say that there is something very specific
driving that change?
"Discovery of unconventionals, new biofuels, and copious quantities of shale
gas will have an enormous effect on the fuel mix over the the next 20
years."-RossHow old would you say some of these discoveries are? Do you think they are
now being fast tracked into use because we/the people that need to have come
to terms with the truth about our addiction to fossil fuels? "And that effect could last for another 100 years or more."I do think there are some positives in play here."I didn't see the IMF report taking into account a mix of cleaner burning
fuels that will begin showing up in the developed world sooner rather than
later." -RossWell I think that is because it is something they can't yet calculate and I
think the push is to get people to come to terms with our "fossil fuel
addiction" which honestly requires quite a bit of education and overcoming
the bad propaganda that has been put out there about it. Like all addicts I think the first thing we all have to do is admit we have a
problem.
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
posted 2013.04.01
posted on April 1st 2013
Reg
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Sean Penn lost a friend – Marc on March 6th, 2013-
Re: Sean Penn lost a friend – edlorah on March 6th, 2013
Why? – EEE on March 6th, 2013-
Re: Why? – edlorah on March 6th, 2013-
Re: Why? – messybear on March 6th, 2013
Re: Why? – Dan on March 6th, 2013
Re: Why not music? – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
Re: Why not music? – Marc on March 9th, 2013
Re: Why? – messybear on March 6th, 2013
Re: Why? – Marc on March 7th, 2013-
Re: Why? – edlorah on March 7th, 2013
You are an ass.... – EEE on March 7th, 2013-
concerning educating Marc – mick on March 7th, 2013-
What pissed me off is the utter lack of respect.... – EEE on March 8th, 2013-
No I'm still here EEE – Marc on March 9th, 2013-
Re: No I'm still here EEE – edlorah on March 9th, 2013-
Re: No I'm still here EEE – Marc on March 9th, 2013-
Re: No I'm still here EEE – edlorah on March 9th, 2013-
He'll shrink and fade....as usuall – EEE on March 9th, 2013-
socialism – mick on March 10th, 2013-
Re: social isms – messybear on March 11th, 2013
Chavez and oil... – Reg on March 7th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – edlorah on March 7th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – Marc on March 9th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – rosskolnikov on March 9th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – randym on March 10th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – edlorah on March 10th, 2013
Re: Chavez and oil... – rosskolnikov on March 10th, 2013
Re: Chavez and oil... – edlorah on March 10th, 2013
Re: Chavez and oil... – Marc on March 10th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – edlorah on March 11th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – heathcliffe on March 11th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – messybear on March 11th, 2013
Re: Chavez and oil... – Herring405 on March 15th, 2013-
Re: Chavez and oil... – heathcliffe on March 16th, 2013
The Problem with Chavez's heating oil subsidy – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
I don't think problem is a word I would use... – Reg on March 8th, 2013-
Re: I don't think problem is a word I would use... – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
Sorry to go on and on . . . – rosskolnikov on March 8th, 2013-
Re: Sorry to go on and on . . . – Reg on March 9th, 2013-
Re: Sorry to go on and on . . . – rosskolnikov on March 9th, 2013-
Re: Sorry to go on and on . . . – Marc on March 23rd, 2013-
Re: Slurry on and on . . . – messybear on March 23rd, 2013
Re: Sorry to go on and on . . . – edlorah on March 23rd, 2013-
Re: deep down in the muck – rosskolnikov on March 27th, 2013-
Re: deep down in the muck – heathcliffe on March 27th, 2013-
Re: stuck – rosskolnikov on March 27th, 2013-
Re: stuck – heathcliffe on March 28th, 2013-
Re: stuck – rosskolnikov on March 28th, 2013
Moving back to how this thread started... – Reg on March 28th, 2013-
Re: Moving back to how this thread started... – rosskolnikov on March 28th, 2013-
Basically the IMF finally sat down and watched Al Gore's documentary... – Reg on March 29th, 2013-
Re: Basically the IMF finally sat down and watched Al Gore's documentary... – rosskolnikov on March 31st, 2013
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