Brad, you really don't do the sarcasm bit too well ya know. And it just goes to show that what I said about Americans (and Aussies -sorry Kathryn/Al) hating losing is kind of perversely demonstrated in Pat's post. Do you chaps ever wonder which Americans get you a bad reputation abroad...well look no further than that good 'ol gloating Christian himself Pat B. But you are right I mean how many Superbowls have the French won...n o n fucking E as in NONE...what else can you throw our way Pat, (let's forget that a few years ago they were European and World Soccer champions and that their girls have too much dignity to allow themsleves be groped by Arnie S).