Reg
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Yeah...it's ugly, ugly, ugly and that's how the Clintons want it. In all honesty that's how a lot of leaders in the Democratic party want it. They believe that's how you win.
I, for one, do feel a bit bad for Obama. Sure, he's a grown man and you have to think he knew at least a bit about what he would be getting into. I mean we all give him credit for being a very smart guy but my bet is he had a bunch of people converge on him to push him to run. I bet they had great arguments for him about why he should and what it would mean if he did. I'm sure he thought about waiting but they told him the longer you wait and the more time you spend in DC casting votes and getting involved with policy the more they will have to spin and use against you later. He was a hot property in 2004, red hot, and all kinds of people that leaned right were saying "if only the Democrats ran a candidate like Barack Obama! What a fine young man! I'd vote for a Democrat like him!"
Yeah, right.
Somebody close to him should have counseled him that now was not the time. He would have to go up against the Clintons and not only would that likely cost him the presidency but may also permanently damage his political career. I'm sure he was flattered and starry eyed and ego...ya know...and the thought that he would be doing something big that would really matter, he seems a decent man and I'm sure that drove him. I don't blame him for running but it was plain as day it would be a really bad choice. We are not in a political or societal cycle that would welcome a candidate of color with a name like Barack Hussein Obama. Combine that with running against the most filthy political hit squad the left has and that spells trouble...capital T. The way I basically put it, which I thought was about as nice as you could say it, is that Clinton and Obama running would tear more holes in the already tattered facade of this nation. They, sadly, would bring pain and shame to the proceedings...knowing that mainly the Clintons would cause this but if by some miracle Obama survived the Clintons he'd face a nasty fight with the Republicans that would raise the same issues. A candidate can only survive so much abuse and bad press and for Obama it would be, as we've seen, never ending. As I've said, I think Obama could someday be a promising candidate for president. If he beats Hillary I'll vote for him in the general election but I have to think that is not going to happen.
It seems the Clintons have already won because they have dragged him down to their level now and that is a place he should not be. He should not be there for many reasons and some of those reasons are a lot bigger than winning this election should be for him. The Clintons are swine they will roll in the muck with you 24/7 & 365 and love every second of it. They are good at it too. Bill Clinton has already said publically he's enjoying this fight with Obama...ahhh...no shit. I think that's pretty obvious and Bill & Hill are winning it too. Yeah, they look ugly doing it but the damage they have done to Barack is well worth it to them. They have put doubt in the minds of the general public and that was the goal. People won't vote for someone they have doubts about. The Clintons don't care who or what they have to trample to get back to the White House...piss all over MLK, ignite racial tensions, destroy the first real African American presidential candidate with lies and pure bullshit and someone that could really be a shining star for the black community...so fucking what, just win baby!
Now we come to the hard cold truth and the truth is party leaders want to win...period. Barack gives a nice speech, looks good in the photos, and gives them the chance to say "Hey, look, we've got a real African American candidate!"
The leaders of the Democratic party, in truth, don't believe Barack can win...he is a nice sideshow but now with Super Tuesday pending the time has come to wipe him out and get on with unleashing Hillary and the Clinton machine on the Republicans. This is the truth and it's what these people want to do. The hardcore Democrats are pissed off and after years of Bushco abusing them and being as dirty as they come...well...the Democrats want their own swine now. They want their own pig to step up and play dirty as all hell and they don't give a shit what it costs us as a country...they feel they are due. In some ways they are right, they are due, Bushco turned the presidency of the United States into a filthy and blatant criminal enterprise and in the process stomped all over the Democrats for 8 years. The Democrats want payback and they are sending in their worst to get it...Hill & Bill. Did even Al Gore agree to sit this one out to take one for the team? I would not doubt it.
Believe one thing, electing Hillary Clinton will cost this country big. Hell, just what they have done to race relations and Barack have already cost us. The Republicans have their own Hillary and its name is Mitt Romney. You know, these are candidates like Dubya that if you vote for them you should feel shame...and shame in the extreme. I don't want to insult anybody or how they intend to cast their vote but these are not people we want in charge of this country. Romney and Clinton have already shown time and time again they can't be trusted and that they will do anything to con the public into voting for them. So, knowing that if you walk into a voting booth and cast a vote for either one of them...well...you knew in advance what you were getting into...at least if you have followed them at all.
I'm not saying I know it all or any such thing. I was dumb enough to think Barack had a chance of knocking off Hillary after he won Iowa. I thought he was going to win in New Hampshire...ok...maybe it wasn't dumb...I guess I listened to my heart instead of my head and that's not always a bad thing. I was not happy about the idea of Obama winning but in my heart I liked that thought a lot more than Hillary winning. Hey, Obama is a good man, I think, and there is no shame in voting for him and I think Peter was right about the fact that he is the strongest Democrat of the three left standing on economic issues. I just never saw him as a guy that could win and he is so green I think he'd be thrown to the wolves if he was elected president at this point. The Clintons are already eating him alive and I don't think they even intend to spit out bones.
Super Tuesday is going to come down to money and how high your profile is because the high profile candidates with the most money will get themselves in front of the voters far more than the folks struggling to hang on. Clinton and Romney have the money edge over everybody else and Romney already is looking to make sure he outspends everybody. His campaign really does think you can buy the presidency...maybe you can...I'd like to think not. Romney has destroyed the competition in spending advertising dollars in Florida. They say his ads run so often on tv there that it seems he has bought every station. Maybe Andrea has seen this.
I'm going to sit here hoping for the Super Tuesday miracle. I'm hoping that people in the Super Tuesday states wake up that morning and smell the coffee and say to themselves "Ya know, I don't like what the Clintons and Obama have been doing, I'm gonna vote for Edwards."
I hope they see Romney for the real douchebag he is and vote anybody but him.
Even a prisoner can dream.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
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Yeah...it's ugly, ugly, ugly and that's how the Clintons want it. In all honesty that's how a lot of leaders in the Democratic party want it. They believe that's how you win.
I, for one, do feel a bit bad for Obama. Sure, he's a grown man and you have to think he knew at least a bit about what he would be getting into. I mean we all give him credit for being a very smart guy but my bet is he had a bunch of people converge on him to push him to run. I bet they had great arguments for him about why he should and what it would mean if he did. I'm sure he thought about waiting but they told him the longer you wait and the more time you spend in DC casting votes and getting involved with policy the more they will have to spin and use against you later. He was a hot property in 2004, red hot, and all kinds of people that leaned right were saying "if only the Democrats ran a candidate like Barack Obama! What a fine young man! I'd vote for a Democrat like him!"
Yeah, right.
Somebody close to him should have counseled him that now was not the time. He would have to go up against the Clintons and not only would that likely cost him the presidency but may also permanently damage his political career. I'm sure he was flattered and starry eyed and ego...ya know...and the thought that he would be doing something big that would really matter, he seems a decent man and I'm sure that drove him. I don't blame him for running but it was plain as day it would be a really bad choice. We are not in a political or societal cycle that would welcome a candidate of color with a name like Barack Hussein Obama. Combine that with running against the most filthy political hit squad the left has and that spells trouble...capital T. The way I basically put it, which I thought was about as nice as you could say it, is that Clinton and Obama running would tear more holes in the already tattered facade of this nation. They, sadly, would bring pain and shame to the proceedings...knowing that mainly the Clintons would cause this but if by some miracle Obama survived the Clintons he'd face a nasty fight with the Republicans that would raise the same issues. A candidate can only survive so much abuse and bad press and for Obama it would be, as we've seen, never ending. As I've said, I think Obama could someday be a promising candidate for president. If he beats Hillary I'll vote for him in the general election but I have to think that is not going to happen.
It seems the Clintons have already won because they have dragged him down to their level now and that is a place he should not be. He should not be there for many reasons and some of those reasons are a lot bigger than winning this election should be for him. The Clintons are swine they will roll in the muck with you 24/7 & 365 and love every second of it. They are good at it too. Bill Clinton has already said publically he's enjoying this fight with Obama...ahhh...no shit. I think that's pretty obvious and Bill & Hill are winning it too. Yeah, they look ugly doing it but the damage they have done to Barack is well worth it to them. They have put doubt in the minds of the general public and that was the goal. People won't vote for someone they have doubts about. The Clintons don't care who or what they have to trample to get back to the White House...piss all over MLK, ignite racial tensions, destroy the first real African American presidential candidate with lies and pure bullshit and someone that could really be a shining star for the black community...so fucking what, just win baby!
Now we come to the hard cold truth and the truth is party leaders want to win...period. Barack gives a nice speech, looks good in the photos, and gives them the chance to say "Hey, look, we've got a real African American candidate!"
The leaders of the Democratic party, in truth, don't believe Barack can win...he is a nice sideshow but now with Super Tuesday pending the time has come to wipe him out and get on with unleashing Hillary and the Clinton machine on the Republicans. This is the truth and it's what these people want to do. The hardcore Democrats are pissed off and after years of Bushco abusing them and being as dirty as they come...well...the Democrats want their own swine now. They want their own pig to step up and play dirty as all hell and they don't give a shit what it costs us as a country...they feel they are due. In some ways they are right, they are due, Bushco turned the presidency of the United States into a filthy and blatant criminal enterprise and in the process stomped all over the Democrats for 8 years. The Democrats want payback and they are sending in their worst to get it...Hill & Bill. Did even Al Gore agree to sit this one out to take one for the team? I would not doubt it.
Believe one thing, electing Hillary Clinton will cost this country big. Hell, just what they have done to race relations and Barack have already cost us. The Republicans have their own Hillary and its name is Mitt Romney. You know, these are candidates like Dubya that if you vote for them you should feel shame...and shame in the extreme. I don't want to insult anybody or how they intend to cast their vote but these are not people we want in charge of this country. Romney and Clinton have already shown time and time again they can't be trusted and that they will do anything to con the public into voting for them. So, knowing that if you walk into a voting booth and cast a vote for either one of them...well...you knew in advance what you were getting into...at least if you have followed them at all.
I'm not saying I know it all or any such thing. I was dumb enough to think Barack had a chance of knocking off Hillary after he won Iowa. I thought he was going to win in New Hampshire...ok...maybe it wasn't dumb...I guess I listened to my heart instead of my head and that's not always a bad thing. I was not happy about the idea of Obama winning but in my heart I liked that thought a lot more than Hillary winning. Hey, Obama is a good man, I think, and there is no shame in voting for him and I think Peter was right about the fact that he is the strongest Democrat of the three left standing on economic issues. I just never saw him as a guy that could win and he is so green I think he'd be thrown to the wolves if he was elected president at this point. The Clintons are already eating him alive and I don't think they even intend to spit out bones.
Super Tuesday is going to come down to money and how high your profile is because the high profile candidates with the most money will get themselves in front of the voters far more than the folks struggling to hang on. Clinton and Romney have the money edge over everybody else and Romney already is looking to make sure he outspends everybody. His campaign really does think you can buy the presidency...maybe you can...I'd like to think not. Romney has destroyed the competition in spending advertising dollars in Florida. They say his ads run so often on tv there that it seems he has bought every station. Maybe Andrea has seen this.
I'm going to sit here hoping for the Super Tuesday miracle. I'm hoping that people in the Super Tuesday states wake up that morning and smell the coffee and say to themselves "Ya know, I don't like what the Clintons and Obama have been doing, I'm gonna vote for Edwards."
I hope they see Romney for the real douchebag he is and vote anybody but him.
Even a prisoner can dream.
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
