Marc
location: Columbus, OH
listening to: gloating democrats...and that's ok, they earned it.
registered: 2001.11.02
posts: 1067
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I appreciate what you just said here and I also made a promise to Andrea
and Dan that I would be nice. And as usual your response was considerate
and well thought out.You are correct that we need to figure out some way to work to together
and I also appreciate that Dan (and you and everybody else) allows me to
speak and I don't mind if you get angry with me at times. You are a well
spoken individual with a way of thinking that isn't exactly like mine but
I, like you wish we could come to an agreement. I know that no matter
what I say to you though that nothing will ever change your mind. Ans as
such everything I say will be met with arguments that make no sense to me
and vice versa. But I think that as the last apparent muskateer that I
should at least try. First let us make this agreement though. Your and my president is Donald
Trump and undermining our President offends me. I wasn'nt a fan of Obama
but I didn't deride him anywhere during his 8 years in office and so I'd
appreciate if you don't do that with Trump or anybody else in office
right now. It is not productive, just as me trying to be funny offends
you. I won't do that anymore either.Now onto your points. Let's start with teachers. I am personally of the
opionion that it is entirely a teacher's choice whether they want to be
armed or not. I agree with you that in the US teachers are woefully
underpaid and have a huge load as it is. You and I (our our teachers)
ever even had think about these things though when we were young and in
school. I've owned guns since I was young (was also trained by NRA
before I was allowed to own one as a hunter when I was 10) and in a lot
of schools it was no big deal that we had rifles ready to hunt after
school in our cars in high school. Nobody then would have ever even
thought once about shooting up the school. But doesn't that beg a new
question?What changed? Well, I posit that a lot has changed. The whole world has
changed. We have angry people all over the place that were not raised
right to begin with now. Let's agree on that. Everywhere we go now we
have to have armed security. It didn't used to be that way. Just go to
the airport for example, or a museum, even my own emplyers events are
littered with armed guards. there are armed people everywhere to protect
us. It didn't used to be a thing you worried about but it is now. Why?I wish you wouldn't accuse me of not caring about those kids from the
Parkland shootings because nothing could be further from the truth and
that is unfair. I also realize that this post of mine is getting long and
I would like to keep this conversation going and will do so if you stay
engaged. And so the next post will about those kids and how I feel that they
really don't know about their own rights and their basic constitutional
rights. I blame that on their parents first and foremost but also
teachers need to teach them to protect themselves and that also includes
their right to free speech. But why is nobody teaching them the truth?
But again, I appreciate your response and I hope you'll have patience
with me as I try to help everybody here understand why much of what you
think you want to do is misguided. This will take a while I fear. But
I'll stay and talk if you'll continue to let me and I'll try to be nice.
M
Marc
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I appreciate what you just said here and I also made a promise to Andrea
and Dan that I would be nice. And as usual your response was considerate
and well thought out.You are correct that we need to figure out some way to work to together
and I also appreciate that Dan (and you and everybody else) allows me to
speak and I don't mind if you get angry with me at times. You are a well
spoken individual with a way of thinking that isn't exactly like mine but
I, like you wish we could come to an agreement. I know that no matter
what I say to you though that nothing will ever change your mind. Ans as
such everything I say will be met with arguments that make no sense to me
and vice versa. But I think that as the last apparent muskateer that I
should at least try. First let us make this agreement though. Your and my president is Donald
Trump and undermining our President offends me. I wasn'nt a fan of Obama
but I didn't deride him anywhere during his 8 years in office and so I'd
appreciate if you don't do that with Trump or anybody else in office
right now. It is not productive, just as me trying to be funny offends
you. I won't do that anymore either.Now onto your points. Let's start with teachers. I am personally of the
opionion that it is entirely a teacher's choice whether they want to be
armed or not. I agree with you that in the US teachers are woefully
underpaid and have a huge load as it is. You and I (our our teachers)
ever even had think about these things though when we were young and in
school. I've owned guns since I was young (was also trained by NRA
before I was allowed to own one as a hunter when I was 10) and in a lot
of schools it was no big deal that we had rifles ready to hunt after
school in our cars in high school. Nobody then would have ever even
thought once about shooting up the school. But doesn't that beg a new
question?What changed? Well, I posit that a lot has changed. The whole world has
changed. We have angry people all over the place that were not raised
right to begin with now. Let's agree on that. Everywhere we go now we
have to have armed security. It didn't used to be that way. Just go to
the airport for example, or a museum, even my own emplyers events are
littered with armed guards. there are armed people everywhere to protect
us. It didn't used to be a thing you worried about but it is now. Why?I wish you wouldn't accuse me of not caring about those kids from the
Parkland shootings because nothing could be further from the truth and
that is unfair. I also realize that this post of mine is getting long and
I would like to keep this conversation going and will do so if you stay
engaged. And so the next post will about those kids and how I feel that they
really don't know about their own rights and their basic constitutional
rights. I blame that on their parents first and foremost but also
teachers need to teach them to protect themselves and that also includes
their right to free speech. But why is nobody teaching them the truth?
But again, I appreciate your response and I hope you'll have patience
with me as I try to help everybody here understand why much of what you
think you want to do is misguided. This will take a while I fear. But
I'll stay and talk if you'll continue to let me and I'll try to be nice.
