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Yes, traditionally it is difficult to get younger people to vote. I mean
it wasn't always that way. When the Vietnam war was raging and young
people were getting sent there to die or get maimed they were motivated
to get involved and back then to do so you needed to actually go out and
do something.
Now, in the age of the internet you can "do things" right from your
couch. So, one of the things that is odd they say (and they say it in
that article you posted) is it is so "difficult" to get registered to
vote or to actually go out and vote.
People that study this kind of thing claim this is because the people
born after 1995 have a significantly different way of looking at things
than people born prior to that due to technology.
That "after 1995" generation have always had the simplification of
things
thanks to technology so, little things like actually going to a post
office to mail something seem incredibly inconvenient to them. Going to
their polling places to stand in line and cast a vote seems ridiculous to
them as does actually filling out any paperwork.
They are used to being able to do these types of things from a phone
or
computer. So, things that require you to physically go somewhere or use a
pen or pencil to write something down are a "hassle" they may ignore
until the "technology" allows them to vote from their phone or laptop.
Not all of them are this way but many of them are.
Secondly, you have to cope with the two parties here that have
opposite
views of how to deal with this.
The Democrats know that when more people vote this tends to favor
them
and the Republicans know when fewer people vote that favors their party.
It's clear, for example, as horrible a candidate as Hillary Clinton
is/was
more than 3 million more people voted for her than Trump...but in that
election many people refused to vote for Clinton so, this favored Trump
and the Republicans.
There were more than 50,000 ballots cast in Michigan that voted
entirely
for Democrats but left the presidential box empty because they apparently
could not bring themselves to vote for Clinton. That won Michigan for
Trump. My guess is this happened all over the country and so that "self"
suppression handed Trump the presidency.
Trump was not swept into office due to his popularity...it was due to
Clinton's unpopularity.
So, while Democrats want to make it easier for people to vote the
Republicans want to stop people from voting. One easy way to do this is
the "voter ID" legislation.
This sounds like a "simple common sense" law but it is not. It is
designed to stop people from being able to vote and it is primarily
directed at young people and minorities...people who the Republicans know
do not vote for them. Here's why...
25% of African Americans do not have a driver's license or state ID.
50% or more of people under 25 have no drivers license or state ID.
A sizable percentage of people that live in big cities have no
driver's
license or state ID because they use public transportation to get around
and have no need for them.
A giant percentage of people that are low income or poor do not have
any
form of ID.
So, if you put into place "voter ID" legislation you immediately
block
hundreds of thousands/millions of people from voting and they are all
people that would vote for Democrats. When the margins of victory are as
slim as they are in gerrymandered Republican districts this is a big
thing to Republicans.
Republicans claim that there is massive voter fraud in this country.
This
is in fact a giant lie. Trump tells this lie over and over and over. In
fact there have been several studies of voter fraud here and the
results show that it literally hardly ever happens. In the billions of
votes examined over the period from 1970 to 2014 in the United States
they found less than 1000 "possible" instances of voter fraud over a
period of decades.
This was a massive study and the Republicans are the ones calling for
these studies and they called for one of the 2016 election as well and
when they saw these results the Republicans said "Oops, actually we don't
want this study, cancel and bury it please."
Why? Because there is virtually ZERO voter fraud in this country. In
fact
the study put the number at .0000035 or some such nonsense.
In Texas this year 1.6 million new voters registered. Since that
happened
Republicans in Texas have been working diligently to remove as many of
them from voter rolls as possible...because new voters tend to mostly be
young voters and young voters do not vote for Republicans.
This is all designed to discourage young voters from voting. If they
take
the trouble to register and then show up at their polling place to vote
and are then told they can't vote because they are not on the
roll...chances are they won't bother to try again.
So, yes, the process does not favor young people and when these
things
happen and they read these stories they do have a tendency to just stay
home.
When you look at facts like the FOX News audience are primarily all
over
60 and practically nobody under 55 even watches them...well...you can see
why Republicans are panicked and want to stop the younger generations
from voting. Their voters are literally dying off.
This is also why elected Republicans are so anti-immigration and
anti-
minority and why Trump's crazed racism has been so embraced by them.
Their voters are mostly older and white and include highly racist
organizations.
So, they are in the crap position of having to embrace any votes they
can
get even if it includes Aryan Nation nonsense and the KKK. People that
join those organizations are all voting Republican.
This is why Trump refuses to denounce these people and why his
response
to people like this murdering Jews or sending bombs in the mail is so
weak.
Another frightening stat...more than 70% of terrorist acts committed
in
this country are committed by Right Wing terrorists.
So, the reality is the terrorists in this country we need to be most
concerned about are people that Republicans claim to be part of their
base.
The Republicans know this and so under Trump they have been claiming
there is a "Left wing mob" that will commit violence in this
country...the facts are NO SUCH MOB EXISTS!
This is all part of why young voters, who typically want no part in
any
of this, stay away.
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
Reg
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Yes, traditionally it is difficult to get younger people to vote. I mean
it wasn't always that way. When the Vietnam war was raging and young
people were getting sent there to die or get maimed they were motivated
to get involved and back then to do so you needed to actually go out and
do something.
Now, in the age of the internet you can "do things" right from your
couch. So, one of the things that is odd they say (and they say it in
that article you posted) is it is so "difficult" to get registered to
vote or to actually go out and vote.
People that study this kind of thing claim this is because the people
born after 1995 have a significantly different way of looking at things
than people born prior to that due to technology.
That "after 1995" generation have always had the simplification of
things
thanks to technology so, little things like actually going to a post
office to mail something seem incredibly inconvenient to them. Going to
their polling places to stand in line and cast a vote seems ridiculous to
them as does actually filling out any paperwork.
They are used to being able to do these types of things from a phone
or
computer. So, things that require you to physically go somewhere or use a
pen or pencil to write something down are a "hassle" they may ignore
until the "technology" allows them to vote from their phone or laptop.
Not all of them are this way but many of them are.
Secondly, you have to cope with the two parties here that have
opposite
views of how to deal with this.
The Democrats know that when more people vote this tends to favor
them
and the Republicans know when fewer people vote that favors their party.
It's clear, for example, as horrible a candidate as Hillary Clinton
is/was
more than 3 million more people voted for her than Trump...but in that
election many people refused to vote for Clinton so, this favored Trump
and the Republicans.
There were more than 50,000 ballots cast in Michigan that voted
entirely
for Democrats but left the presidential box empty because they apparently
could not bring themselves to vote for Clinton. That won Michigan for
Trump. My guess is this happened all over the country and so that "self"
suppression handed Trump the presidency.
Trump was not swept into office due to his popularity...it was due to
Clinton's unpopularity.
So, while Democrats want to make it easier for people to vote the
Republicans want to stop people from voting. One easy way to do this is
the "voter ID" legislation.
This sounds like a "simple common sense" law but it is not. It is
designed to stop people from being able to vote and it is primarily
directed at young people and minorities...people who the Republicans know
do not vote for them. Here's why...
25% of African Americans do not have a driver's license or state ID.
50% or more of people under 25 have no drivers license or state ID.
A sizable percentage of people that live in big cities have no
driver's
license or state ID because they use public transportation to get around
and have no need for them.
A giant percentage of people that are low income or poor do not have
any
form of ID.
So, if you put into place "voter ID" legislation you immediately
block
hundreds of thousands/millions of people from voting and they are all
people that would vote for Democrats. When the margins of victory are as
slim as they are in gerrymandered Republican districts this is a big
thing to Republicans.
Republicans claim that there is massive voter fraud in this country.
This
is in fact a giant lie. Trump tells this lie over and over and over. In
fact there have been several studies of voter fraud here and the
results show that it literally hardly ever happens. In the billions of
votes examined over the period from 1970 to 2014 in the United States
they found less than 1000 "possible" instances of voter fraud over a
period of decades.
This was a massive study and the Republicans are the ones calling for
these studies and they called for one of the 2016 election as well and
when they saw these results the Republicans said "Oops, actually we don't
want this study, cancel and bury it please."
Why? Because there is virtually ZERO voter fraud in this country. In
fact
the study put the number at .0000035 or some such nonsense.
In Texas this year 1.6 million new voters registered. Since that
happened
Republicans in Texas have been working diligently to remove as many of
them from voter rolls as possible...because new voters tend to mostly be
young voters and young voters do not vote for Republicans.
This is all designed to discourage young voters from voting. If they
take
the trouble to register and then show up at their polling place to vote
and are then told they can't vote because they are not on the
roll...chances are they won't bother to try again.
So, yes, the process does not favor young people and when these
things
happen and they read these stories they do have a tendency to just stay
home.
When you look at facts like the FOX News audience are primarily all
over
60 and practically nobody under 55 even watches them...well...you can see
why Republicans are panicked and want to stop the younger generations
from voting. Their voters are literally dying off.
This is also why elected Republicans are so anti-immigration and
anti-
minority and why Trump's crazed racism has been so embraced by them.
Their voters are mostly older and white and include highly racist
organizations.
So, they are in the crap position of having to embrace any votes they
can
get even if it includes Aryan Nation nonsense and the KKK. People that
join those organizations are all voting Republican.
This is why Trump refuses to denounce these people and why his
response
to people like this murdering Jews or sending bombs in the mail is so
weak.
Another frightening stat...more than 70% of terrorist acts committed
in
this country are committed by Right Wing terrorists.
So, the reality is the terrorists in this country we need to be most
concerned about are people that Republicans claim to be part of their
base.
The Republicans know this and so under Trump they have been claiming
there is a "Left wing mob" that will commit violence in this
country...the facts are NO SUCH MOB EXISTS!
This is all part of why young voters, who typically want no part in
any
of this, stay away.
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
