Seems more than a little harsh, Mick, to paint everyone who worked in intelligence with such a broad brush. My mom, as politically liberal as one could be,  was a secretary in personnel for the CIA. 

Besides, these two gents at Panera, even at their advanced ages, could kill me with a plastic fork, so I'm going to keep things civil. But if you want to hop the pond and put the screws to them, I'll make the introductions...and step away. :)

Peter T.