The main thrust of what I wanted to say has to do with the difficulty of legislating.  I have heard the same loggerheads arguments that everyone else has heard, since becoming able to read and understand the issue.  I am no closer to knowing what to think about it now than I have ever been.  I guess I just wanted to point out that any time we legislate, those laws we create will have far-reaching effects that we can't really predict.

So I guess I'm on your side, PRH:  I don't want new laws, but I wouldn't mind if people came to new understandings.

I think a life is created the moment the man gets the woman's bra unhooked.  Unless she takes it off for him, in which case it is much earlier.

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