Hey Peter T: How ya been?

I believe you would find that most Fundamentalist would object to my presence among them as I am undoubtedly too much of a literalist for them; and in all probability a heretic Hell-bound heathen to boot. Along with inerrancy, I subscribe to the notion of scriptural dispensationalism: rightly dividing the word of truth.

I am not free of sin, simply justified when I have the presence or smarts to ask forgiveness of my present daily sins.

I was speaking in terms of 'eternal outcomes'. i.e., assuming the scripture is wrong, unbelievers like yourself, will not end up in Hell for eternity. (by your own account, do not believe Jesus is 'the' Son of God)

Now let me tackle this batch of old standbys:

>Slavery: is a fact of life. Right now, right here, in the good ole US of A. I am making an assumption when I say that, 'you err in equating slavey only with cruelty' Peter. In addition, however unknowingly, I would hazard a guess that practically everyone on this board supports slavery financially. (Please ask me to be specific.)Slavery: is a fact of life. Right now, right here, in the good ole US of A. I am making an assumption when I say that, 'you err in equating slavey only with cruelty' Peter. In addition, however unknowingly, I would hazard a guess that practically everyone on this board supports slavery financially. (Please ask me to be specific.)Slavery: is a fact of life. Right now, right here, in the good ole US of A. I am making an assumption when I say that, 'you err in equating slavey only with cruelty' Peter. In addition, however unknowingly, I would hazard a guess that practically everyone on this board supports slavery financially. (Please ask me to be specific.)

God Almighty, Jesus Christ, nor the scripture came up with the practice of slavery: man's cruelty to man is the source of slavery. Please notice what Paul(as the Apostle to the Gentiles) wrote to the churches:

In Epeshians 6: 5* Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; 6* Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 7* With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: 8* Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. 9* And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

In Colossians 3 & 4

17* And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. 18* ¶ Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. 19* Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. 20* Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. 21* Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. 22* Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God: 23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; 24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. 25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons. 1* ¶ Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.

In 1 Timothy 6: 1* ¶ Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. 2* And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. 3* If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4* He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5* Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

In Titus 2: 9* Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;

I would also like to point out that the psuedo American experience of liberty for the masses seems to be a fairly isolated period compared to the totality of known human experience(and tendency). The scripture is correct that human nature tends to the evil of cruelty. What's that proverb about children? And what is the basis of much humor(sic)?

>subjugation of women:subjugation of women:subjugation of women:

The scripture certainly teaches that we all have our place in God's perfect will. Put another way, that there is a preferred heirachy, that works best, because that is how the creator designed us to best function.

And in a purely secular view, are American woman treated all that bad compared to past or current world standards? I don't hear of all that many woman fleeing the US of A for superior treatment elsewhere in the world. Furthermore, I do believe unbiased academics would have to admit that the deist christian judeo ethic that is largely the foundation of the American experience contributed greatly to our womans unusually liberal liberty, historically speaking. And is our society really better off with latch key kids? Aren't mothers uniquely qualified for nurturing, as a rule?

Just a side note: one day I would like to take the time to make the argument that 'a womans right to choose', is a unique and bogus falacy where it comes to abortion and universally.

>persecution of homosexuals: Once again, I would suggest to you that God has certain predispositions where 'His creatures' are concerned. And once again, there is the matter of 'rightly dividing the word of truth': the Israelites Law specified death by stoning I believe(haven't heard of a Jewish stoning in a millenium or two-although you might check the Islamic News); and where scriptural christianity is concerned, specificly Roman 1, we are told the cause of homosexuality; and no where in the Paulian epistles are christians instrucedt to harm homosexuals or anyone else. We are told to pray for them, to do good to them, to keep ourselves separate, point out the error of their way(when oppotunity is presented-as with all men), and so on in that Spirit. That formula basicly applies to all sinners outside of the faith(in the finished work of Jesus, and Jesus alone).persecution of homosexuals: Once again, I would suggest to you that God has certain predispositions where 'His creatures' are concerned. And once again, there is the matter of 'rightly dividing the word of truth': the Israelites Law specified death by stoning I believe(haven't heard of a Jewish stoning in a millenium or two-although you might check the Islamic News); and where scriptural christianity is concerned, specificly Roman 1, we are told the cause of homosexuality; and no where in the Paulian epistles are christians instrucedt to harm homosexuals or anyone else. We are told to pray for them, to do good to them, to keep ourselves separate, point out the error of their way(when oppotunity is presented-as with all men), and so on in that Spirit. That formula basicly applies to all sinners outside of the faith(in the finished work of Jesus, and Jesus alone).persecution of homosexuals: Once again, I would suggest to you that God has certain predispositions where 'His creatures' are concerned. And once again, there is the matter of 'rightly dividing the word of truth': the Israelites Law specified death by stoning I believe(haven't heard of a Jewish stoning in a millenium or two-although you might check the Islamic News); and where scriptural christianity is concerned, specificly Roman 1, we are told the cause of homosexuality; and no where in the Paulian epistles are christians instrucedt to harm homosexuals or anyone else. We are told to pray for them, to do good to them, to keep ourselves separate, point out the error of their way(when oppotunity is presented-as with all men), and so on in that Spirit. That formula basicly applies to all sinners outside of the faith(in the finished work of Jesus, and Jesus alone).

>If you are wrong, if as I believe, the Bible is the product of ordinary men with prejudices and agendas (and it is not derived from God), what would you say? If you are wrong, if as I believe, the Bible is the product of ordinary men with prejudices and agendas (and it is not derived from God), what would you say? If you are wrong, if as I believe, the Bible is the product of ordinary men with prejudices and agendas (and it is not derived from God), what would you say?

If I believed that, I wouldn't trust it for a moment. Which is why I make the case that all although all english bibles have some scripture in them(because imitators and liars must have elements of truth-the more such elements of the truth, the more deceptive the lie or imitation); there is only one bible that is completely scriptural. And thus, that one, is trustworthy because it was produced at God's behest and preserved as His pleasure would have it preserved: in our language and all languages; because He desires that 'all men should come to the knowledge of the truth' and 'that none should perish'.

>Would you still say that "if the scriptural world view I subscribe to is wrong, no harm comes to anyone else."?Would you still say that "if the scriptural world view I subscribe to is wrong, no harm comes to anyone else."?Would you still say that "if the scriptural world view I subscribe to is wrong, no harm comes to anyone else."?

Yes, because as I wrote at the first, I was speaking of eternal outcomes. Additionally, you need to be more specific about what branches/cults of christianity perpetrated which crimes. There have been believers like myself since the first century and other so-called christians, along with a wide variety of heathens(as defined by god in His scripture) have played convert or die with us. Even though we lived peaceably and were societal contributors.

As Jesus mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew:

Mt 7:15* Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

or Paul later in:

2Co 11:13* For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2Co 11:14* And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Co 11:15* Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Eph 6:12* For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I believe the Creator wants to communicate to me in a completely understandable fashion; that He does if I am available to avail myself of His truth; and thus, that, 'All scripture is given by inspiration of God'.

What it comes down to Peter is what you(any one of us) decided to believe, because in the end, each of us will be judged by Jesus Christ based on what we chose to bellieve about Him.

I truly hope you change your mind.