Dave Tahija
location: Butte, Montana, en route from San Francisco to Juneau
listening to: Train - Save me, San Francisco
registered: 1999.12.27
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Given that it's water bourne, does it end up in all the worlds
water supply via cross aquafer transfer?There is some uranium in pretty much all water; there is some
everything in pretty much all water but not very much.
Uranium is soluble under oxidizing conditions but precipitates
out of solution in reducing conditions. So uranium leaching
out of these spent bullets will migrate to the local water table
but then get bound up in the reducing parts of the aquifer
deeper down. The depth to reducing conditions can vary from
0 in swamps to several hundred feet. Generally, I'd expect
oxidizing conditions to prevail for 50 to 100 feet at the top of
a typical aquifer. To answer the question, the uranium isn't
going to migrate very far.
Seems like a real concern, but what do we do to stop it? And
any chance you know why our military uses these poisonous
shells?It's pretty easy to stop: don't use depleted uranium in
munitions intended for land use. I don't see a particular
problem in the Navy's use of the stuff for anti-missile defense
at sea. At sea, the bullets are going to drop to the bottom,
which is reducing except in very shallow waters. There is also
a lot of dilution in an ocean.For anti-missile and armor-piercing munitions, you like to use
the densest material available to get maximum momentum.
Lead has a density of 11.35, while uranium has a density of
18.95 so it's a lot better material for anti-armor weapons.
Other materials could be used. Platinum has a density of
21.45 so it would be even better but even the U.S. military
can't spend that kind of money on bullets. The real advantage
of depleted uranium is that its military acquisition cost is
zero. It's a byproduct of uranium enrichment to fuel or
weapons grade.Natural uranium contains less than 1% U-235 (it's either 0.3%
or 0.5% if memory serves) while about 3% is needed for
reactor fuel and 9% for bombs. After producing enriched
uranium from natural uranium, you have a bunch of depleted
uranium on your hands and no real use for the stuff.The most likely replacement for enriched uranium in
munitions is tungsten (wolfram for the world outside the U.S.)
with a density of 19.3. But tungsten would cost money. Free
stuff is better than stuff that costs money.
The article probably didn't mention any relief for the Navaho
women huh? Another question: has cancer increased in the
male population on the reservation?This was a research note but I would guess that relief for the
Navajos will be on the way. The easiest and quickest thing to
do is to test all the wells in the area for uranium and stop
using the ones that carry high concentrations. If there is no
low uranium concentration well in a given area, a wellhead
treatment system is certainly feasible. I can think of a couple
of approaches that should work. A good model would be the
well water arsenic abatement efforts on Bangla Desh, where
money is a lot tighter than even on the Rez.You would't expect cancer in boys, although other problems,
like reproductive system development problems, are possible.
A good analogy for this would be the case of DES daughters
in the 50s and 60s.
Hope this helps.
D
Dave Tahija
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Given that it's water bourne, does it end up in all the worlds
water supply via cross aquafer transfer?There is some uranium in pretty much all water; there is some
everything in pretty much all water but not very much.
Uranium is soluble under oxidizing conditions but precipitates
out of solution in reducing conditions. So uranium leaching
out of these spent bullets will migrate to the local water table
but then get bound up in the reducing parts of the aquifer
deeper down. The depth to reducing conditions can vary from
0 in swamps to several hundred feet. Generally, I'd expect
oxidizing conditions to prevail for 50 to 100 feet at the top of
a typical aquifer. To answer the question, the uranium isn't
going to migrate very far.
Seems like a real concern, but what do we do to stop it? And
any chance you know why our military uses these poisonous
shells?It's pretty easy to stop: don't use depleted uranium in
munitions intended for land use. I don't see a particular
problem in the Navy's use of the stuff for anti-missile defense
at sea. At sea, the bullets are going to drop to the bottom,
which is reducing except in very shallow waters. There is also
a lot of dilution in an ocean.For anti-missile and armor-piercing munitions, you like to use
the densest material available to get maximum momentum.
Lead has a density of 11.35, while uranium has a density of
18.95 so it's a lot better material for anti-armor weapons.
Other materials could be used. Platinum has a density of
21.45 so it would be even better but even the U.S. military
can't spend that kind of money on bullets. The real advantage
of depleted uranium is that its military acquisition cost is
zero. It's a byproduct of uranium enrichment to fuel or
weapons grade.Natural uranium contains less than 1% U-235 (it's either 0.3%
or 0.5% if memory serves) while about 3% is needed for
reactor fuel and 9% for bombs. After producing enriched
uranium from natural uranium, you have a bunch of depleted
uranium on your hands and no real use for the stuff.The most likely replacement for enriched uranium in
munitions is tungsten (wolfram for the world outside the U.S.)
with a density of 19.3. But tungsten would cost money. Free
stuff is better than stuff that costs money.
The article probably didn't mention any relief for the Navaho
women huh? Another question: has cancer increased in the
male population on the reservation?This was a research note but I would guess that relief for the
Navajos will be on the way. The easiest and quickest thing to
do is to test all the wells in the area for uranium and stop
using the ones that carry high concentrations. If there is no
low uranium concentration well in a given area, a wellhead
treatment system is certainly feasible. I can think of a couple
of approaches that should work. A good model would be the
well water arsenic abatement efforts on Bangla Desh, where
money is a lot tighter than even on the Rez.You would't expect cancer in boys, although other problems,
like reproductive system development problems, are possible.
A good analogy for this would be the case of DES daughters
in the 50s and 60s.
Hope this helps.
