If they wanted extermination, they wouldn't have to drop a single nuke to do it David(and you know it too): Although, the PNAC isn't opposed.-)

Get this straight: THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS WHAT IT WANTS, AN EXCUSE TO STAY PUT.

Reframe your outlook with that as the central fact about Iraq, and ya might begin to see the truth of the situation. That they are not interested in what is in Pat, Edlorah's or any average American's best interest might be another point to get clearly in focus.

It's so naive to believe this, or any Administration is somehow wildly miscalculating. That includes Vietnam, leaving Saddam in power, Nixon, you name it. These fucks plan, they got think tanks with foundation money planning all the time, both sides, hundreds of em 'what iffin' constantly, competing even.

Despite GWB's Admin's inane speeches, the whoring of Powell before the UN, the carefully framed toppling of Saddam's statue, the aircraft carrier declaration of victory, Condi's Reich outfit, and all the other carefully crafted PR joys and/or stupidities(depending upon your individual point of view) surrounding this military/mock terrorism program of the past 5 years; be assured and get it clear in your thoughts, these people are accomplishing the majority of the intentions they decided to achieve before they ever began.

Think about it! Or continue to be fooled.

Do you really believe they are the fools the majority of you here believe this Administration is? How arrogant of you. And how shortsighted. What if...WHAT IF...they are accomplishing their aim and we all are misinterpreting their actual intentions because our conclusions are colored by our own view of what is plausible, or implausible given our expectations and/or worldview???

For example, some of you believe these people are meglomaniac's(if that's the right word), but can you actually invision the intermediate steps of taking this to the logical end of conquering the world by controlling the world's energy supplies, by whatever means necessary?! Is it in American's envisional vocabulary? I don't think so, or there would be an actual uprising in more than just America.

(Most of you can't take this serious: Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century circa 2000 http://newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm where it discusses needing a Pearl Harbor event, in order to speed up the process.)

Is this why fighters are said to be pouring into Iraq from all over the world, because they get the picture, that you don't, that their way of life might be next? What do you think now? Are ya?

I think that's where both sides make a serious mistake in judgment of our present predictiment: one thinks they are evil, but not that evil!; and the other side thinks these guys aren't just good but saintly!

You're both wrong, and most of us will live to be enlightened to this sad fact. Remember Pol Pot people!!! I remember an interview with an educated refugee who survived.

The truly grand mistake that both sides make is believing that there is actually any distinction at the top of our, or any, government/corporate pyramid. Meaning that the adversarial thing is a carefully managed facade too. But most of ya cannot believe that obvious fact either. And, 'it is not' because you have been manipulated, it's because 'you are enlightened', yep, both of the primary adversarial groups are enlightened, and in agreement on this point! And why? Because only a creton would think rich, incredibly powerful people would plan, by any means necessary, to stay put, at the apex of the pyramid, where power is.

“The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors, that there will be no opposition from that class. The great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages, will bear its burden without complaint.”

It's too late but...

BEWARE: the free trade movement.

Orwell had a phrase, but I just can't remember it...a little help please. Please?!?!

before...THEY'RE COMING TO TAKE ME AWAY HA HA...