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Well, I admit to not having any hard numbers at my disposal or even a report to point to that could accurately estimate the ramifications of removing all or most of our illegal workforce but my guess would be at the very least food costs would skyrocket. I can't say one way or another for sure but the estimate stands at about 15 million illegal immigrants in this country right now and obviously doing a study to see how much industry benefits from illegal workers would be tough. After all it's info that companies won't want to divulge. So, I will surrender the economic impact aspect of my argument as open to debate but with the exception that it certainly looks like it would have some impact.
Setting that aside though and I think you'd have to agree on this point...how on earth do we remove 15 million people from our country? Just moving people and assisting them during something like Katrina was a nightmare. Getting our troops out of Iraq is a major undertaking. Getting 15 million people out of our country that are not exactly going to cooperate is not going to be easy and if we determine exactly where it is they are from who pays for getting them back there? What government department or departments would be able to cope with this? What if the countries they came from put up a stink or refuse them? Personally, and maybe it's just me...it seems like it would take us many, many years and huge sums of money to get this done and if we began this process now when as a country we are already way over extended and in the midst of economic chaos...holy cow...how would we do it? Also, I think an attempt to round up 15 million people would lead to some serious civil unrest and likely some serious abuses of civil rights and some sort of mutated Patriot Act nastiness. I mean I think, and maybe people think I'm wrong, it's a logistic nightmare to track, capture, process, transport, jail, and arrange deportation of 15 million people...and having government officials in charge of such a process should get it done...ohhh...around the time our sun is going to run out of gas and go dark on us...
We can't even control our borders now. It seems unlikely we're gonna get 15 million people out of our country and I don't even think most of these politicians want to do it anyway...on both sides. We should focus on border security and better control the flow but getting all these people out...I don't know.
You think it can be done?
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
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Well, I admit to not having any hard numbers at my disposal or even a report to point to that could accurately estimate the ramifications of removing all or most of our illegal workforce but my guess would be at the very least food costs would skyrocket. I can't say one way or another for sure but the estimate stands at about 15 million illegal immigrants in this country right now and obviously doing a study to see how much industry benefits from illegal workers would be tough. After all it's info that companies won't want to divulge. So, I will surrender the economic impact aspect of my argument as open to debate but with the exception that it certainly looks like it would have some impact.
Setting that aside though and I think you'd have to agree on this point...how on earth do we remove 15 million people from our country? Just moving people and assisting them during something like Katrina was a nightmare. Getting our troops out of Iraq is a major undertaking. Getting 15 million people out of our country that are not exactly going to cooperate is not going to be easy and if we determine exactly where it is they are from who pays for getting them back there? What government department or departments would be able to cope with this? What if the countries they came from put up a stink or refuse them? Personally, and maybe it's just me...it seems like it would take us many, many years and huge sums of money to get this done and if we began this process now when as a country we are already way over extended and in the midst of economic chaos...holy cow...how would we do it? Also, I think an attempt to round up 15 million people would lead to some serious civil unrest and likely some serious abuses of civil rights and some sort of mutated Patriot Act nastiness. I mean I think, and maybe people think I'm wrong, it's a logistic nightmare to track, capture, process, transport, jail, and arrange deportation of 15 million people...and having government officials in charge of such a process should get it done...ohhh...around the time our sun is going to run out of gas and go dark on us...
We can't even control our borders now. It seems unlikely we're gonna get 15 million people out of our country and I don't even think most of these politicians want to do it anyway...on both sides. We should focus on border security and better control the flow but getting all these people out...I don't know.
You think it can be done?
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
posted 2008.01.29
posted on January 29th 2008
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The Billary Road to Republican Victory – cassandra on January 27th, 2008-
Re: The Billary Road to Republican Victory – Baerwald on January 27th, 2008
Re: The Billary Road to Republican Victory – Reg on January 27th, 2008-
Re: The Billary Road to Republican Victory – Baerwald on January 27th, 2008-
Re: The Billary Road to Republican Victory – PatBrown on January 27th, 2008-
Re: The Billary Road to Republican Victory – Baerwald on January 27th, 2008-
Re: The Billary Road to Republican Victory – kravitz on January 27th, 2008
Re: The Billary Road to Republican Victory – blockdog on January 28th, 2008-
Block you are making this easy for me – PatBrown on January 28th, 2008
Is the base of the Republicans..... – PatBrown on January 27th, 2008-
What is a Republican in 2008? – Reg on January 27th, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – PatBrown on January 27th, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – rosskolnikov on January 28th, 2008
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – Reg on January 28th, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – pkjensen on January 28th, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – Reg on January 29th, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – Herring405 on January 29th, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – pkjensen on January 30th, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – Herring405 on January 30th, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – pkjensen on January 30th, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? (edit) – messybear on January 30th, 2008-
~~ okay, now a bit calmer for the outrage ~~ – messybear on January 30th, 2008
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – Herring405 on January 31st, 2008-
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – pkjensen on January 31st, 2008-
The illegal immigration totem pole... – Reg on February 1st, 2008-
I should also point out... – Reg on February 1st, 2008
Re: The illegal immigration totem pole... – pkjensen on February 1st, 2008-
Re: The illegal immigration totem pole... – Reg on February 1st, 2008
Re: The illegal immigration totem pole... – messybear on February 1st, 2008-
Re: The illegal immigration totem pole... – Reg on February 1st, 2008-
Re: The illegal immigration totem pole... – messybear on February 2nd, 2008-
the echoes in my head are the mystic chords of memory – Reg on February 2nd, 2008-
Re: the echos in my head are the mystic chords of memory – messybear on February 2nd, 2008
[edit] The ill totem pole... – messybear on February 2nd, 2008
Re: The illegal immigration totem pole... – Green Mtn on February 3rd, 2008
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – PatBrown on January 30th, 2008
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – Herring405 on January 28th, 2008
Re: What is a Republican in 2008? – Baerwald on January 28th, 2008
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