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"Who knows, in the strictness sense and in the end the proper legal
definition, there is a possibility that to Mueller the evidence for a
charge of the Russia conspiracy/election involvement may not have been
legally present."OK, these are my thoughts on this. First thing you have to consider is
that for a special prosecutor to bring charges against the president or
those around him the prosecutor has to have an absolute slam dunk case
that they have absolutely ZERO chance to lose in court. If there is any
tiny chance at all that you might lose then the case, the investigation,
the whole ball of wax looks tainted as political. If there was even the most minuscule chance they could lose in
court...meaning that they had literally piles and piles of evidence that
pointed to guilt but they saw a tiny little chance for the case to maybe
go the wrong way, well...then you can't bring that charge. This happened in this case and it happened in the Hillary Clinton private
server case. I do believe there was evidence against these people that
showed guilt but the prosecutors knew and understood that once in court
there was a chance that the guilty parties could wriggle away. SO YOU CAN NOT CHARGE THEM. This does not mean there is no evidence of
their guilt...there could be piles of it...it just means that the
prosecutors felt there was a chance there could be a legal loophole the
guilty party could slip through. Second, the special prosecutors job was to charge the crimes he found
that were a slam dunk, like Manafort and Flynn, and then to compile a
report of his findings and put that report in front of the American
people...meaning Congress...for them to decide what should be done next. The special prosecutor does not make a determination...Congress does.The special prosecutor only charges people with crimes or declines to
charge. On people he declines to charge he makes no determination as to
their innocence or guilt. He can provide the evidence he has on the
person's innocence or guilt. He also begins with a mandate that he CAN
NOT charge the president himself. So, before the investigation even
starts the president is an AUTOMATIC DECLINE TO CHARGE. This is where Barr's letter stinks of bullshit. Barr is essentially
saying in his letter that since Mueller did not charge Trump (who he
could not charge under the guidelines) or people like Trump Jr. and
Kushner with crimes...well, not only are they not guilty, they also could
not have obstructed justice because there was no crime charged that they
could have attempted to obstruct justice for. Barr himself knows this is a load of nonsense because he knows the bar to
have charged these people was "slam dunk or do not charge" and never
charge the president period...because only Congress can charge the
president. So, yes, all those times that Trump appeared to be openly obstructing
justice and intimidating witnesses...well...those don't count, according
to Barr, because you did not charge the president with the crime he was
supposedly obstructing justice about...when you were not allowed to
charge the president with any crime in the first place.Joseph Heller would be proud of that Catch-22.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
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"Who knows, in the strictness sense and in the end the proper legal
definition, there is a possibility that to Mueller the evidence for a
charge of the Russia conspiracy/election involvement may not have been
legally present."OK, these are my thoughts on this. First thing you have to consider is
that for a special prosecutor to bring charges against the president or
those around him the prosecutor has to have an absolute slam dunk case
that they have absolutely ZERO chance to lose in court. If there is any
tiny chance at all that you might lose then the case, the investigation,
the whole ball of wax looks tainted as political. If there was even the most minuscule chance they could lose in
court...meaning that they had literally piles and piles of evidence that
pointed to guilt but they saw a tiny little chance for the case to maybe
go the wrong way, well...then you can't bring that charge. This happened in this case and it happened in the Hillary Clinton private
server case. I do believe there was evidence against these people that
showed guilt but the prosecutors knew and understood that once in court
there was a chance that the guilty parties could wriggle away. SO YOU CAN NOT CHARGE THEM. This does not mean there is no evidence of
their guilt...there could be piles of it...it just means that the
prosecutors felt there was a chance there could be a legal loophole the
guilty party could slip through. Second, the special prosecutors job was to charge the crimes he found
that were a slam dunk, like Manafort and Flynn, and then to compile a
report of his findings and put that report in front of the American
people...meaning Congress...for them to decide what should be done next. The special prosecutor does not make a determination...Congress does.The special prosecutor only charges people with crimes or declines to
charge. On people he declines to charge he makes no determination as to
their innocence or guilt. He can provide the evidence he has on the
person's innocence or guilt. He also begins with a mandate that he CAN
NOT charge the president himself. So, before the investigation even
starts the president is an AUTOMATIC DECLINE TO CHARGE. This is where Barr's letter stinks of bullshit. Barr is essentially
saying in his letter that since Mueller did not charge Trump (who he
could not charge under the guidelines) or people like Trump Jr. and
Kushner with crimes...well, not only are they not guilty, they also could
not have obstructed justice because there was no crime charged that they
could have attempted to obstruct justice for. Barr himself knows this is a load of nonsense because he knows the bar to
have charged these people was "slam dunk or do not charge" and never
charge the president period...because only Congress can charge the
president. So, yes, all those times that Trump appeared to be openly obstructing
justice and intimidating witnesses...well...those don't count, according
to Barr, because you did not charge the president with the crime he was
supposedly obstructing justice about...when you were not allowed to
charge the president with any crime in the first place.Joseph Heller would be proud of that Catch-22.
–--
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
