***Awesome! That will put lots of money in Will's pocket! It's one thing if a disc is out of print and a whole different thing if it's not. That cd is available new.****
I happen to have an extra copy of this cd. I looked all over trying to find it and after a week or two of searching I found one. I paid $18 for it. Then a relative of mine found one in a local store outside of Dallas and sent me another copy. I don't need two and I thought someone here might have had a hard time finding a copy. I really don't think I'm going to make a huge amount of money of this sale. Nor am I out to rip off Will.
BTW Kravitz, aren't you the one who bought 15 or so copies of "A Fine Mess" when it was originally released then turned around and sold them on eBay for, in some cases, hundreds of dollars? And then told everyone on this board you did it to "help" others unfamiliar with this board hear this new music?
For those of you new to this board I'll post DB's response to Mr Kravitz actions and then I'll post Mr Kravitz reply...
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Baerwald
Recognition, Money,Ebay and etc...
Thu Dec 7 00:21:22 2000
I think most of us on this page see the inherent cheesiness of Mr (or Ms) Kravitz exploiting my little gift to those of you who appreciate such little gifts; however it's understandable that where a small profit is to be made that a small entrepreneur might want to make it. However, to cloak that simple and understandable desire in the flag of "spreading the word" (what word?) is as discomfiting and embarrasing as engaging in a long and passionate conversation with someone who thinks you're somebody else.
As a bit of backstory on A Fine Mess:
A Fine Mess was created in the aftermath of the death of a good friend of mine's child, an unfathomable death. Stunned and disconsolate, after returning from a solid week of trying to support the family in an
intolerable time, I found myself in need of a similar support. I called Will Sexton, and David Kitay, and Mike Thompson, and Nick D'Virgilio, and said " I need help, I'm dying, come play folk music with me"
And God bless them, they did. A Fine Mess is a musical wake, committed to tape,
by the sheer accident that I happened to own a recording studio. And around that time my mother discovered this page, and there seemed to be some people on it who wanted some music. The sincerity of the letters and postings deeply touched me. It was around Christmas, and it seemed like a good thing to do, to offer it to those who wanted it. No money was made, or ever meant to be made. It's as simple as that. The simplicity, and the purity, and the amateurism, and the intent of the recordings are as integral to their appeal to me as the purity and simplicity and passion of the postings on this page.
What's his name from Metallica wanted to exploit that purity, and to transform it into something else, for a much larger sum than 150 dollars.
I told him to apply his efforts elsewhere.
Sell this stuff for whatever you can get for it, I'm all for it, and I'm all for free enterprise. But don't pretend to either yourself or to anyone else that it's for anyone's benefit than your own, because it's not. I make a fine and honest living on my own, and if I wanted to hawk myself on a street corner, I'd do so, and I'd spare myself the expense and embarrassment of a pimp.
yrs,
David Baerwald
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And now Mr Kravitz' defense...
David,
In response to your comments: Being that I am from Wisconsin, I have no problem with the cheesiness thing. I do however take issue with your claim that I am the only one that benefits from my ebay offerings. Such a claim ignores a simple fact � there�s also a very happy buyer on the other end. I have spent enormous amounts of time and money collecting every different CD, album, interview, and promo kit that you have appeared on, and am nothing but thankful that there was someone out there offering them up for sale or trade.
The �word� that I spread is that AFM exists, and every time I list another copy there are fans that will be enlightened. If I was only in it for the money, then how it is that I am one of only a small handful to offer my services in dubbing the offerings on this web site? What sort of gain do I get from copying and mailing dozens of copies of AFM, Live at the Bottom Line, and Stories Before Bedtime?
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Oh, yeah. *I'm* a jerk selling one cd for probably 1/2 of what I bought it for. What did you do with all YOUR profits??????
Re: cut 'em off at the knees
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***Awesome! That will put lots of money in Will's pocket! It's one thing if a disc is out of print and a whole different thing if it's not. That cd is available new.****
I happen to have an extra copy of this cd. I looked all over trying to find it and after a week or two of searching I found one. I paid $18 for it. Then a relative of mine found one in a local store outside of Dallas and sent me another copy. I don't need two and I thought someone here might have had a hard time finding a copy. I really don't think I'm going to make a huge amount of money of this sale. Nor am I out to rip off Will.
BTW Kravitz, aren't you the one who bought 15 or so copies of "A Fine Mess" when it was originally released then turned around and sold them on eBay for, in some cases, hundreds of dollars? And then told everyone on this board you did it to "help" others unfamiliar with this board hear this new music?
For those of you new to this board I'll post DB's response to Mr Kravitz actions and then I'll post Mr Kravitz reply...
**************************************************
Baerwald
Recognition, Money,Ebay and etc...
Thu Dec 7 00:21:22 2000
I think most of us on this page see the inherent cheesiness of Mr (or Ms) Kravitz exploiting my little gift to those of you who appreciate such little gifts; however it's understandable that where a small profit is to be made that a small entrepreneur might want to make it. However, to cloak that simple and understandable desire in the flag of "spreading the word" (what word?) is as discomfiting and embarrasing as engaging in a long and passionate conversation with someone who thinks you're somebody else.
As a bit of backstory on A Fine Mess:
A Fine Mess was created in the aftermath of the death of a good friend of mine's child, an unfathomable death. Stunned and disconsolate, after returning from a solid week of trying to support the family in an
intolerable time, I found myself in need of a similar support. I called Will Sexton, and David Kitay, and Mike Thompson, and Nick D'Virgilio, and said " I need help, I'm dying, come play folk music with me"
And God bless them, they did. A Fine Mess is a musical wake, committed to tape,
by the sheer accident that I happened to own a recording studio. And around that time my mother discovered this page, and there seemed to be some people on it who wanted some music. The sincerity of the letters and postings deeply touched me. It was around Christmas, and it seemed like a good thing to do, to offer it to those who wanted it. No money was made, or ever meant to be made. It's as simple as that. The simplicity, and the purity, and the amateurism, and the intent of the recordings are as integral to their appeal to me as the purity and simplicity and passion of the postings on this page.
What's his name from Metallica wanted to exploit that purity, and to transform it into something else, for a much larger sum than 150 dollars.
I told him to apply his efforts elsewhere.
Sell this stuff for whatever you can get for it, I'm all for it, and I'm all for free enterprise. But don't pretend to either yourself or to anyone else that it's for anyone's benefit than your own, because it's not. I make a fine and honest living on my own, and if I wanted to hawk myself on a street corner, I'd do so, and I'd spare myself the expense and embarrassment of a pimp.
yrs,
David Baerwald
*************************************************
And now Mr Kravitz' defense...
David,
In response to your comments: Being that I am from Wisconsin, I have no problem with the cheesiness thing. I do however take issue with your claim that I am the only one that benefits from my ebay offerings. Such a claim ignores a simple fact � there�s also a very happy buyer on the other end. I have spent enormous amounts of time and money collecting every different CD, album, interview, and promo kit that you have appeared on, and am nothing but thankful that there was someone out there offering them up for sale or trade.
The �word� that I spread is that AFM exists, and every time I list another copy there are fans that will be enlightened. If I was only in it for the money, then how it is that I am one of only a small handful to offer my services in dubbing the offerings on this web site? What sort of gain do I get from copying and mailing dozens of copies of AFM, Live at the Bottom Line, and Stories Before Bedtime?
*************************************************
Oh, yeah. *I'm* a jerk selling one cd for probably 1/2 of what I bought it for. What did you do with all YOUR profits??????
I happen to have an extra copy of this cd. I looked all over trying to find it and after a week or two of searching I found one. I paid $18 for it. Then a relative of mine found one in a local store outside of Dallas and sent me another copy. I don't need two and I thought someone here might have had a hard time finding a copy. I really don't think I'm going to make a huge amount of money of this sale. Nor am I out to rip off Will.
BTW Kravitz, aren't you the one who bought 15 or so copies of "A Fine Mess" when it was originally released then turned around and sold them on eBay for, in some cases, hundreds of dollars? And then told everyone on this board you did it to "help" others unfamiliar with this board hear this new music?
For those of you new to this board I'll post DB's response to Mr Kravitz actions and then I'll post Mr Kravitz reply...
**************************************************
Baerwald
Recognition, Money,Ebay and etc...
Thu Dec 7 00:21:22 2000
I think most of us on this page see the inherent cheesiness of Mr (or Ms) Kravitz exploiting my little gift to those of you who appreciate such little gifts; however it's understandable that where a small profit is to be made that a small entrepreneur might want to make it. However, to cloak that simple and understandable desire in the flag of "spreading the word" (what word?) is as discomfiting and embarrasing as engaging in a long and passionate conversation with someone who thinks you're somebody else.
As a bit of backstory on A Fine Mess:
A Fine Mess was created in the aftermath of the death of a good friend of mine's child, an unfathomable death. Stunned and disconsolate, after returning from a solid week of trying to support the family in an
intolerable time, I found myself in need of a similar support. I called Will Sexton, and David Kitay, and Mike Thompson, and Nick D'Virgilio, and said " I need help, I'm dying, come play folk music with me"
And God bless them, they did. A Fine Mess is a musical wake, committed to tape,
by the sheer accident that I happened to own a recording studio. And around that time my mother discovered this page, and there seemed to be some people on it who wanted some music. The sincerity of the letters and postings deeply touched me. It was around Christmas, and it seemed like a good thing to do, to offer it to those who wanted it. No money was made, or ever meant to be made. It's as simple as that. The simplicity, and the purity, and the amateurism, and the intent of the recordings are as integral to their appeal to me as the purity and simplicity and passion of the postings on this page.
What's his name from Metallica wanted to exploit that purity, and to transform it into something else, for a much larger sum than 150 dollars.
I told him to apply his efforts elsewhere.
Sell this stuff for whatever you can get for it, I'm all for it, and I'm all for free enterprise. But don't pretend to either yourself or to anyone else that it's for anyone's benefit than your own, because it's not. I make a fine and honest living on my own, and if I wanted to hawk myself on a street corner, I'd do so, and I'd spare myself the expense and embarrassment of a pimp.
yrs,
David Baerwald
*************************************************
And now Mr Kravitz' defense...
David,
In response to your comments: Being that I am from Wisconsin, I have no problem with the cheesiness thing. I do however take issue with your claim that I am the only one that benefits from my ebay offerings. Such a claim ignores a simple fact � there�s also a very happy buyer on the other end. I have spent enormous amounts of time and money collecting every different CD, album, interview, and promo kit that you have appeared on, and am nothing but thankful that there was someone out there offering them up for sale or trade.
The �word� that I spread is that AFM exists, and every time I list another copy there are fans that will be enlightened. If I was only in it for the money, then how it is that I am one of only a small handful to offer my services in dubbing the offerings on this web site? What sort of gain do I get from copying and mailing dozens of copies of AFM, Live at the Bottom Line, and Stories Before Bedtime?
*************************************************
Oh, yeah. *I'm* a jerk selling one cd for probably 1/2 of what I bought it for. What did you do with all YOUR profits??????
