*** Debate seems pretty much alive and well around here to me. ***

And you think I'm "blatantly wrong"? Unbelievable. Look around, David. This site is dying on the vine while you're defending and encouraging it's most beligerant members while you chastize one of it's biggest contributors. I just don't understand.

Well, that's enough for me. I think I'll follow KevinG and DeWester and Pat and the many others who have decided to abandon this site. I mean really, what's the point? We used to get insights from you, we used to get new music from you too. Now what do we get? We get  extreme left wing rhetoric that one can find on a thousand other extreme left wing web sites; we get promises of books, we get promises of new music, we get promises of cd's, we get hints of new music from D & D. Well I'm tired of waiting and I'm tired of the promises. I may be "blatantly wrong" about this too but I believe a man is only as good as his word. Fool me once; shame one you. Fool me twice; shame on me. This site has become ugly for many reasons despite the efforts of Pat and Dan. So now it's all yours; you and your choir.

Thanks for the memories, David. I really enjoyed talking to you and Reg and Peter T. in Boston. That was definitely a highlight in my life.You are a very talented man with a lot to offer. Despite our differences, I wish you well. I really hope you find what you're looking for. I really mean that.

Kent, make sure you turn the light out when you leave.

Dale