"Shall the children be punished for the sins of their father?"
A father breaks a law that has a lasting impact on his family. It happens every day."Better yet . . . why do we have this law on the books making those children citizens if we are going to deport Dad for a traffic violation?"
Dad wasn't deported for a traffic violation, Dad was deported because he was in the country illegally. He came to the attention of Immigration because of a traffic stop."If the law makes them citizens, shouldn't the law also allow the one who brings them bread to earn?"
Are there any other crimes you would like to absolve 15 million people of just because there is a gaping loophole in our citizenship laws? Should the prisons be emptied because "someone has to bring the bread" to the families of the inmates?"I don't for a moment believe that the country is better off by deporting this guy, leaving the taxpayers (and really private donors in this case) to foot the bill for THREE people who now have no other means of support."
What's to say that mom and kids don't go back with Daddy? Not saying that they should be deported necessarily but if the breadwinner leaves, the bread consumers generally follow (I know, that's a massive generalization). I have to assume that the couple is not married, else mom is also illegal"Ron Paul repeatedly talks about the economic principle that when you subsidize something, you tend to get more of it. Now that we have been subsidizing, and getting more of these citizens who are born to people here illegally--(and they are citizens, with all the rights that go along with that, just like you)--how can we now say "off with your parents then"?"
How can you not? If you break the law, you suffer the consequences. If the consequences mean jail time and you have children that require care, they become wards of the state. It sucks, but that's the way it is. Yes, it's a burden on the state, but I don't see any other way to break this cycle. It's not that I'm that uncaring or inhuman, I really don't think I am, but this has to end, and the only way to end it is to either a) enforce the laws on the books, or b) rewrite the laws so that those that took a shortcut to their residency in this country can become citizens. And I think it disgraces the notion of citizenry to give it to anyone and everyone who managed to stow away in a cargo hold, hide in a trunk, wade across a river, or however else they got here."I don't mean to claim that we cannot . . . obviously we have done that. But what I mean is more along the lines of "how can you DO that?" Morally, ethically, pragmatically, economically . . . it's wrong."
Morally--like I said, I don't think I'm a monster, but I could sleep at night. Ethically--I don't think ethics even come into play. Pragmatically--what is the next law that it will be OK to commit unpunished on a rampant scale? Economically--I think the economic aspect of this is a lot of boogeyman in the closet scare tactics. Food prices are no higher now (relative to anything else in the economy) than they were 50 years ago before the mass influx of illegal labor.And if you want to concern yourself with the humane, check out the term "coyote" with regard to illegal immigrants. Condoning illegal labor is not too far from condoning slavery, or at the very least indentured servitude.
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"Shall the children be punished for the sins of their father?"
A father breaks a law that has a lasting impact on his family. It happens every day."Better yet . . . why do we have this law on the books making those children citizens if we are going to deport Dad for a traffic violation?"
Dad wasn't deported for a traffic violation, Dad was deported because he was in the country illegally. He came to the attention of Immigration because of a traffic stop."If the law makes them citizens, shouldn't the law also allow the one who brings them bread to earn?"
Are there any other crimes you would like to absolve 15 million people of just because there is a gaping loophole in our citizenship laws? Should the prisons be emptied because "someone has to bring the bread" to the families of the inmates?"I don't for a moment believe that the country is better off by deporting this guy, leaving the taxpayers (and really private donors in this case) to foot the bill for THREE people who now have no other means of support."
What's to say that mom and kids don't go back with Daddy? Not saying that they should be deported necessarily but if the breadwinner leaves, the bread consumers generally follow (I know, that's a massive generalization). I have to assume that the couple is not married, else mom is also illegal"Ron Paul repeatedly talks about the economic principle that when you subsidize something, you tend to get more of it. Now that we have been subsidizing, and getting more of these citizens who are born to people here illegally--(and they are citizens, with all the rights that go along with that, just like you)--how can we now say "off with your parents then"?"
How can you not? If you break the law, you suffer the consequences. If the consequences mean jail time and you have children that require care, they become wards of the state. It sucks, but that's the way it is. Yes, it's a burden on the state, but I don't see any other way to break this cycle. It's not that I'm that uncaring or inhuman, I really don't think I am, but this has to end, and the only way to end it is to either a) enforce the laws on the books, or b) rewrite the laws so that those that took a shortcut to their residency in this country can become citizens. And I think it disgraces the notion of citizenry to give it to anyone and everyone who managed to stow away in a cargo hold, hide in a trunk, wade across a river, or however else they got here."I don't mean to claim that we cannot . . . obviously we have done that. But what I mean is more along the lines of "how can you DO that?" Morally, ethically, pragmatically, economically . . . it's wrong."
Morally--like I said, I don't think I'm a monster, but I could sleep at night. Ethically--I don't think ethics even come into play. Pragmatically--what is the next law that it will be OK to commit unpunished on a rampant scale? Economically--I think the economic aspect of this is a lot of boogeyman in the closet scare tactics. Food prices are no higher now (relative to anything else in the economy) than they were 50 years ago before the mass influx of illegal labor.And if you want to concern yourself with the humane, check out the term "coyote" with regard to illegal immigrants. Condoning illegal labor is not too far from condoning slavery, or at the very least indentured servitude.
posted 2008.01.30
posted on January 30th 2008
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The Billary Road to Republican Victory – cassandra on January 27th, 2008-
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~~ okay, now a bit calmer for the outrage ~~ – messybear on January 30th, 2008
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