edlorah
location: The Recession Will Not Be Televised
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Yes, thank you. Your points are well taken. The reasons are very complex; more complex than I
suggested in my post. I've mentioned before that I routinely have conferences in the hospital with
patients and families about more intervention vs. comfort care.We as a culture do not do well with our mortality and it is not unusual to see families demand high-
tech, usually futile, and often stress-inducing procedures for very elderly parents near the end of their
lives. We've mentioned here before that something like 80% of our health care costs occur in the last
two years of life.Physicians are rarely trained, nor are they comfortable, introducing an end of life conversation with a
patient and their family. The specialists, in my experience, are even worse. The avoidance of reality,
and the offering of yet one more procedure (sometimes because the doctor is uncomfortable and
doesn't know what else to do and sometimes because families demand it) leads to a culture of more
cost, more tests, more high tech gear, and more demand from patients and families to 'do something'.
It's definitely a dance. The insurance companies play their part but we are all culpable in contributing
to the problems we have today.
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"It was done only for political reasons only anyway. "
"It was done only for political reasons only anyway. "
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edlorah
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Yes, thank you. Your points are well taken. The reasons are very complex; more complex than I
suggested in my post. I've mentioned before that I routinely have conferences in the hospital with
patients and families about more intervention vs. comfort care.We as a culture do not do well with our mortality and it is not unusual to see families demand high-
tech, usually futile, and often stress-inducing procedures for very elderly parents near the end of their
lives. We've mentioned here before that something like 80% of our health care costs occur in the last
two years of life.Physicians are rarely trained, nor are they comfortable, introducing an end of life conversation with a
patient and their family. The specialists, in my experience, are even worse. The avoidance of reality,
and the offering of yet one more procedure (sometimes because the doctor is uncomfortable and
doesn't know what else to do and sometimes because families demand it) leads to a culture of more
cost, more tests, more high tech gear, and more demand from patients and families to 'do something'.
It's definitely a dance. The insurance companies play their part but we are all culpable in contributing
to the problems we have today.
–--
"It was done only for political reasons only anyway. "
"It was done only for political reasons only anyway. "
posted 2009.10.24
posted on October 24th 2009
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edlorah
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T.R. Reid on Link TV – messybear on October 17th, 2009-
Link... – messybear on October 19th, 2009
Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue... – Reg on October 20th, 2009-
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – Dslacker on October 21st, 2009-
Pretty much, Ds... – Reg on October 21st, 2009
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – randym on October 22nd, 2009-
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – Reg on October 22nd, 2009-
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – rosskolnikov on October 23rd, 2009
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – randym on October 23rd, 2009-
Re: Everybody should watch the video MB posted above if they want to understand the healthcare issue – rosskolnikov on October 23rd, 2009-
Let's break this down guys... – Reg on October 23rd, 2009-
Re: Let's break this down guys... – heathcliffe on October 23rd, 2009
Re: Let's break this down guys... – rosskolnikov on October 23rd, 2009
Re: Let's break this down guys... – randym on October 24th, 2009-
Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – Reg on October 24th, 2009-
Re: Sorry, that's flat out brilliant... – edlorah on October 24th, 2009-
Re: Sorry, that's flat out brilliant... – Reg on October 25th, 2009
Re: Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – randym on October 25th, 2009-
Re: Sorry, that's flat out flatulent... – edlorah on October 25th, 2009
Re: Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – Reg on October 25th, 2009-
Re: Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – heathcliffe on October 25th, 2009
Re: Sorry, that's flat out wrong... – rosskolnikov on October 25th, 2009-
How would you do it, Ross? – Reg on October 26th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ross? – edlorah on October 26th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – rosskolnikov on October 26th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – edlorah on October 27th, 2009-
here you go ... – edlorah on October 27th, 2009
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – messybear on October 27th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – heathcliffe on October 27th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – messybear on October 28th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – heathcliffe on October 28th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – messybear on October 28th, 2009
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – rosskolnikov on October 28th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – edlorah on October 28th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – rosskolnikov on October 29th, 2009-
Re: How would you do it, Ed? – edlorah on October 29th, 2009
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