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Presumably, Andrea, were the US to lay down its arms, total disarmament, the demand for weapons would dry up, disappear, and emerge as a demand for plowshares.My point was that in order for it to rise to the level of a moral move, only the US, the strongest bearer of arms on the planet today, can make it.Disarmament any other place, although commendable, would be described as economic necessity, cowardly in the face of greater foes, politically appropriate, anything but as a moral act.There could be moral citizenry demanding it of their government, but so far as the Universe is concerned, it must be the strongest at warfare to stop warfare, that is, to commit a truly moral act by disarming.We lost our chance, I believe, right after the WWII, when we were still a nation of the people, by the people, and for the people. Today we have become a nation of, by, and for corporations. We are close to the Facism of Italy who joined Germany in the war.The military/industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about has assumed control, and to it, morality is simply a word in the dictionary.So long as fear prevents us from disarming, all the way from fear of losing markets to fear of losing other people's natural resources to fear of China, Iran, or the Taliban, we will never see morality as a reason for doing anything.It's the moral thing to do, to disarm, the Chinese might say of their government, the Russians might say it of their government, but it is only we who are citizens of the US who can say it meaningfully, for ours is the only nation that can commit the moral act. And its afraid to.With respect to a world without money, any system that took its place would, I think, eventually be simplified by going back to money.But I share your concerns in every way.
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Presumably, Andrea, were the US to lay down its arms, total disarmament, the demand for weapons would dry up, disappear, and emerge as a demand for plowshares.My point was that in order for it to rise to the level of a moral move, only the US, the strongest bearer of arms on the planet today, can make it.Disarmament any other place, although commendable, would be described as economic necessity, cowardly in the face of greater foes, politically appropriate, anything but as a moral act.There could be moral citizenry demanding it of their government, but so far as the Universe is concerned, it must be the strongest at warfare to stop warfare, that is, to commit a truly moral act by disarming.We lost our chance, I believe, right after the WWII, when we were still a nation of the people, by the people, and for the people. Today we have become a nation of, by, and for corporations. We are close to the Facism of Italy who joined Germany in the war.The military/industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about has assumed control, and to it, morality is simply a word in the dictionary.So long as fear prevents us from disarming, all the way from fear of losing markets to fear of losing other people's natural resources to fear of China, Iran, or the Taliban, we will never see morality as a reason for doing anything.It's the moral thing to do, to disarm, the Chinese might say of their government, the Russians might say it of their government, but it is only we who are citizens of the US who can say it meaningfully, for ours is the only nation that can commit the moral act. And its afraid to.With respect to a world without money, any system that took its place would, I think, eventually be simplified by going back to money.But I share your concerns in every way.
posted 2010.08.05
posted on August 5th 2010
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Geno quick!...the Nazis are still out there looking for lebensraum... – mick on July 29th, 2010-
oh for fuck's sake... – mick on July 29th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – messybear on July 30th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – rosskolnikov on July 30th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – Herring405 on July 30th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – messybear on August 1st, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – heathcliffe on August 3rd, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – messybear on August 4th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – heathcliffe on August 4th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – Andrea on August 4th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – mick on August 4th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – messybear on August 4th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – Andrea on August 4th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – messybear on August 5th, 2010
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – Andrea on August 4th, 2010
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – heathcliffe on August 5th, 2010-
Re: oh for fuck's sake... – messybear on August 5th, 2010
Your reference to the Military Industrial Complex, and material for the next Triage – Peter T. on August 6th, 2010-
Re: Complex, and material for the next Triage – messybear on August 6th, 2010-
Scratching my head, Messy... – Peter T. on August 6th, 2010-
Re: Scratching my head, Messy... – messybear on August 6th, 2010
Re: Your reference to the Military Industrial Complex, and material for the next Triage – heathcliffe on August 7th, 2010-
Re: Your reference to material for the next month's Cobra bill – messybear on August 7th, 2010-
Re: Your reference to material for the next month's Cobra bill – mick on August 7th, 2010
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