>>The Elites are all on the left. The draft dodgers are all on the left. If we would have had the leftist movement in 1942 we have now you would be speaking German and that is a fact.<<

I'm probably not the most left-wing guy on the board but I'll proudly state that I'm one of 'em; whatever the hell "left" means anymore. I'm one of the guys Michael Medved, Michael Savage, and your beloved Bill O'Reilly refer to as "secular humanist", "atheistic", "pathetic", "ignorant", "Marxist" ... oh, and mustn't forget "liberal" and "elite".

They only got me part right: let me tell you a little more about myself:

I'm fifty and work as a middle manager in a health care organization here in Seattle. My wife and I just had our twenty third wedding anniversary last week (went skiing at Whistler in B.C.- you oughta try it sometime!) We have one daughter who's planning to graduate from college this year. She hopes to graduate early which is great because we're hoping to begin saving more for retirement. We did manage to pay off  all the student loans this year by refinancing the house. We'd like to have some time after our working years to travel, relax, and pursue the things we've put off for our careers.

I still like to go out & hear music but can't stay out as late as I used to; still like to have a few drinks with friends but sure can't drink as much as I used to. I'm still trying to teach myself the guitar after nearly thirty years of hacking away at it. Oh yeah, and I have a Golden Retriever named Beau who is old and deaf as a doorknob but still happy most of the time.

So I have a pretty good life- like lots of Americans. Nothing especially elite. And like a lot of Americans I am sickened by the Bush Administration and am actively working and contributing to bringing an end to the reckless endangerment they call governance.

So really Pat, when you start flinging labels around and parroting your heroes on talk radio, stop and realize that whoever the "liberal elite" may be it's guys like me: middle-aged, middle-class, and mortgaged to the eyebrows, who are going to turn the President out. We're your worst nightmare.