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I would direct your attention down to
Electro vs. Barker
marked thus:
>>>>>>>>>It appears to have some far reaching ramifications.All my point is -all the time- be watchful.
I'm a firm believer,
that people forget quickly,
the greater dimensions of a government,
the less they want to tolerate dissent.
Conclusion: it's only a matter of time before the net is
censored. It will be incremental, ala YouTube, and it will be
made to sound necessary(we must stop terrorist training).respectsps I also post such stuff for refutation, input or update.
If you couldn't make it to the conference call with Ray
Beckerman, a lawyer representing clients in cases against the
RIAA, you can listen or download the audio from Archive.orgTranscript:Gregory Heller DefectiveByDesign Campaign Manager:
So without further ado I turn it over to Peter Brown the
Executive Director of the Free Software FoundationPeter Brown:Thanks, Gregory. And welcome, everybody.On June 23rd, the Defective by Design campaign organized a
phone-in targeting the executives at the Recording Industry
Association of America (the RIAA) and similar trade
organizations in Europe and Canada. We did this to allow our
supporters to express their frustration with Big Media's
attempt to force DRM into our technology and onto our
society. Through the action we became aware of the work of
Ray Beckman and his excellent blog 'Recording Industry vs the
People'. Ray practices law in New York state and is the lead
attorney there in the fight against the RIAA lawsuits .From speaking to Ray about the campaign I came to realize
that we are in fact fighting the same battle but just on two
seperate fronts. That battle is the battle of consumer control.
DRM is simply an attempt to win this battle with technology
restrictions, and the other is an attempt to win the battle
through intimidation and lawsuits, that they also hope will
allow them to rewrite copyright law. It's very important that
we realize what's going on in these lawsuits and that we
realize that in fact there's no real financial support going on.
The RIAA has really been allowed to run amok here and we
need to take some action. So let me introduce Ray Beckman to
you and let's find out what's happening with these lawsuits,
how they're connected to DRM, and what we can do to help.
Ray, why don't you spill the beans on what's going on?Ray Beckerman:
For almost three years, the RIAA has been conducting a reign
of terror and they have actually tripped across what is
possibly their most effective device which is bringing lawsuits
against defenseless people. You have a multi-billion dollar cartel sueing unemployed
people, disabled people, housewives, single mothers, home
healthcare aids, all kinds of people who have no resources
whatsoever to withstand these litigations. And due to the
adversary system of justice the RIAA will be successful in
rewriting copyright law, if the world at large, and the
technological community in particular, don't fight back and
help these people fighting these fights. Every time you learn of one of those rare instances in the
19000 litigations in which one person has fought back, it
means that there's a lawyer out there who's either working for
free or getting a nominal fee for his work and you will notice
that you will never see a big law firm in that category. For one
thing, the big law firms are like any big corporation: they need
to make a profit. That's what their primary purpose is. And
they would be interested in representing the RIAA, not the
poor people that the RIAA is sueing. Now these cases raise very important legal issues relating to
privacy, and not just music, but technology. The way this
campaign begins is with an investigation that is not an
investigation at all. The sophisticated audience to which I am
speaking will realize how bogus it actually is. They have an investigator pretend to be a user of KAZAA or
one of the other similar file-sharing networks. He finds a
shared files folder that has a goodly number of copyrighted
songs in it. He has no idea whether those song files were
obtained legally, whether though payed downloads, or
through making personal copies from one's own CD for
backup purposes, or whether anything illegal was ever done
with those files, whether anyone ever copied one. And what he
does: he takes a screen shot of this shared files folders (He of
course does not see the folders, he merely sees the text in the
metadata) and decides that this is a big shared file folder.Then through some secret process which he will not share
with us and has tried to conceal from the courts, he then
associates it with a dynamic ip address. And then, after he has
what he believes is the correct dynamic ip address, for the
date and time at which he made that screen shot, he then
brings a proceeding to get the name and address of the
subscriber who paid for the internet access, which of course
would tell us nothing. But once he gets that information he
then sues the person. The way he gets the information is through a one-sided
lawsuit against a host of John Doe's. Usually the people who
are named as defendants in these cases, live in cities
hundreds of thousands of miles away from where the lawsuit
is pending, and they only find out about it after an order has
already been entered directing the turn over of information. They usually receive only just a few days' notice and are told
that unless they can hire a lawyer in that far off city and that
lawyer can make a motion to quash the subpoena and vacate
the order, that their information will be turned over. And of
course at that point they don't even know that there's a
lawsuit. Most of them do not even know that they have been
sued. They don't have copies of the court papers, they don't
have copies of the application for the order. They have
absolutely no way to resist. A couple of people have been alert enough to alert the
Electronic Frontier Foundation and others, and so we've
managed to bring a few cases in which we've attacked this
initial John Doe process. But the judges, who are anything but
digital natives, have no understanding of it, have given us very
short shrift, haven't listened to anything that we've had to say.
There was a case in 2004 where an elderly judge was told by a
lawyer in his brief from the RIAA that from the metadata and
the hash you could tell that these were illegally copied files,
which was of course nonsense. But the judge actually referred
to that in his decision as to why he was upholding the
subpoena. Once they get the name and address of the victim, they then
basically seek to extort a settlement of either $3750 or
$4250. If the victim calls them up and tells them that they've
never even done any file sharing of any kind, that they have
no idea what it's about, that they're completely innocent, the
RIAA doesn't care and then it commences a federal lawsuit. Now, defending a federal lawsuit is an extremely costly
process. If you get into the merits of the case to prove that
you're innocent, you've already lost because under any
scenario you're talking tens of thousands of dollars at least in
legal expenses in order to defend such a case. Now there are some very important cases going on. In my
office we've tried to attack process early on. We're the only
firm that lately has made motions to vacate the John Doe
cases. Once the name and address is known and they sue a
person in their name, they still have this extremely vague
complaint which tells you nothing because they know nothing.
They say the defendant downloaded, distributed and/or made
available for distribution certain song files. But they have no
evidence of any downloading, they have no evidence of any
distributing. And at most they can say that someone who
might somehow be associated with the ip address might have
made some files available. But they certainly don't know that
the defendant did. All they know that the defendant did was to write out a check
for internet access. Now, we've tried to point out in our John
Doe cases that the technical underpinning of the investigation
is meaningless, that the metadata doesn't tell you anything,
that it can be scrubbed, that it can be changed, that any real
pirate would never leave the metadata of the thing he had
perloined. And the IP address makes no sense because any
real pirate would be using someone else's internet access
account. The metadata tells you nohting, the hashmarks do
not conclusively establish anything. Even seeing the shared
files folder doesn't tell you which computer it resided on
because all of these networks use one form or another of a
hierarchy of computers (those with fast broadband
connections and those with slow broadband connections, so
you have the nodes and super nodes or whatever terminology
they use). So that when you see the shared files, all you're
seeing is metadata from one computer or from a group of
computers that are connected to one node, but the judges
have no clue. They actually won't even let me talk about it.
One of the three motions had no oral argument. And the two
that had an oral argument, the judges would not let me speak
and kept cutting me off.>>> Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. >> Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. >> Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. > Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. > Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. As a result of that bold argument, certain organizations came
in putting in an amicus curiae brief to support Miss Barker's
motion to dismiss. In reaction to that the Motion Picture
Association and the United States Government put in briefs
supporting the RIAA trying to... Well, the Motion Picture
Association directly supported that extreme argument. The US
government didn't quite go that far but it tried to support the
RIAA by attacking another argument that had been made by
the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Meanwhile, Miss Barker is a nursing student. She has no
money. She lives in the housing projects, and she has to have
lawyers reviewing all these briefs, writing briefs for her etc.
Now, this case is pending and the judge may call for oral
argument or he may render a decision. But if our motion to dismiss is granted and sustained on
appeal it would mean the end of the RIAA juggernaut against
innocent people not known to have committed a copyright
infringement. And yet we've received no support of any kind
from anywhere, and Miss Barker has no resources to defend
this case. In the case UMG vs. Lindor where the defendant Lindor is a
home health aid who's never used a computer. She's never
used a computer, she's never owned a computer, she's never
even turned on a computer. The only connection she has had
to a computer is that she has on occasion dusted near the
parts which she believes are a computer. And yet she is being
sued as an online distributor in peer to peer file sharing. This
is a case started by her so we were not able to (we stepped in
in the middle) so we're not able to attack the complaint, but
we're seeking information on the cartel-like behavior of the
RIAA and we're in all kinds of discovery disputes. The RIAA is
trying to conceal information about how it conducts its
"investigation" to conceal the information on how the different
companies work together to run this campaign to destroy
competition in digital music. All these discovery disputes... There have been depositions
and now they're calling... They've already deposed her and her
son, they now want to depose various other relatives and her
daughter. And meanwhile they've stonwalled every discovery
request we've made. And unless the world comes together
and helps these defenseless people the RIAA is going to win
all these battles one way or another and they're going to
rewrite the copyright law.end.
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
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Green Mtn
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I would direct your attention down to
Electro vs. Barker
marked thus:
>>>>>>>>>It appears to have some far reaching ramifications.All my point is -all the time- be watchful.
I'm a firm believer,
that people forget quickly,
the greater dimensions of a government,
the less they want to tolerate dissent.
Conclusion: it's only a matter of time before the net is
censored. It will be incremental, ala YouTube, and it will be
made to sound necessary(we must stop terrorist training).respectsps I also post such stuff for refutation, input or update.
If you couldn't make it to the conference call with Ray
Beckerman, a lawyer representing clients in cases against the
RIAA, you can listen or download the audio from Archive.orgTranscript:Gregory Heller DefectiveByDesign Campaign Manager:
So without further ado I turn it over to Peter Brown the
Executive Director of the Free Software FoundationPeter Brown:Thanks, Gregory. And welcome, everybody.On June 23rd, the Defective by Design campaign organized a
phone-in targeting the executives at the Recording Industry
Association of America (the RIAA) and similar trade
organizations in Europe and Canada. We did this to allow our
supporters to express their frustration with Big Media's
attempt to force DRM into our technology and onto our
society. Through the action we became aware of the work of
Ray Beckman and his excellent blog 'Recording Industry vs the
People'. Ray practices law in New York state and is the lead
attorney there in the fight against the RIAA lawsuits .From speaking to Ray about the campaign I came to realize
that we are in fact fighting the same battle but just on two
seperate fronts. That battle is the battle of consumer control.
DRM is simply an attempt to win this battle with technology
restrictions, and the other is an attempt to win the battle
through intimidation and lawsuits, that they also hope will
allow them to rewrite copyright law. It's very important that
we realize what's going on in these lawsuits and that we
realize that in fact there's no real financial support going on.
The RIAA has really been allowed to run amok here and we
need to take some action. So let me introduce Ray Beckman to
you and let's find out what's happening with these lawsuits,
how they're connected to DRM, and what we can do to help.
Ray, why don't you spill the beans on what's going on?Ray Beckerman:
For almost three years, the RIAA has been conducting a reign
of terror and they have actually tripped across what is
possibly their most effective device which is bringing lawsuits
against defenseless people. You have a multi-billion dollar cartel sueing unemployed
people, disabled people, housewives, single mothers, home
healthcare aids, all kinds of people who have no resources
whatsoever to withstand these litigations. And due to the
adversary system of justice the RIAA will be successful in
rewriting copyright law, if the world at large, and the
technological community in particular, don't fight back and
help these people fighting these fights. Every time you learn of one of those rare instances in the
19000 litigations in which one person has fought back, it
means that there's a lawyer out there who's either working for
free or getting a nominal fee for his work and you will notice
that you will never see a big law firm in that category. For one
thing, the big law firms are like any big corporation: they need
to make a profit. That's what their primary purpose is. And
they would be interested in representing the RIAA, not the
poor people that the RIAA is sueing. Now these cases raise very important legal issues relating to
privacy, and not just music, but technology. The way this
campaign begins is with an investigation that is not an
investigation at all. The sophisticated audience to which I am
speaking will realize how bogus it actually is. They have an investigator pretend to be a user of KAZAA or
one of the other similar file-sharing networks. He finds a
shared files folder that has a goodly number of copyrighted
songs in it. He has no idea whether those song files were
obtained legally, whether though payed downloads, or
through making personal copies from one's own CD for
backup purposes, or whether anything illegal was ever done
with those files, whether anyone ever copied one. And what he
does: he takes a screen shot of this shared files folders (He of
course does not see the folders, he merely sees the text in the
metadata) and decides that this is a big shared file folder.Then through some secret process which he will not share
with us and has tried to conceal from the courts, he then
associates it with a dynamic ip address. And then, after he has
what he believes is the correct dynamic ip address, for the
date and time at which he made that screen shot, he then
brings a proceeding to get the name and address of the
subscriber who paid for the internet access, which of course
would tell us nothing. But once he gets that information he
then sues the person. The way he gets the information is through a one-sided
lawsuit against a host of John Doe's. Usually the people who
are named as defendants in these cases, live in cities
hundreds of thousands of miles away from where the lawsuit
is pending, and they only find out about it after an order has
already been entered directing the turn over of information. They usually receive only just a few days' notice and are told
that unless they can hire a lawyer in that far off city and that
lawyer can make a motion to quash the subpoena and vacate
the order, that their information will be turned over. And of
course at that point they don't even know that there's a
lawsuit. Most of them do not even know that they have been
sued. They don't have copies of the court papers, they don't
have copies of the application for the order. They have
absolutely no way to resist. A couple of people have been alert enough to alert the
Electronic Frontier Foundation and others, and so we've
managed to bring a few cases in which we've attacked this
initial John Doe process. But the judges, who are anything but
digital natives, have no understanding of it, have given us very
short shrift, haven't listened to anything that we've had to say.
There was a case in 2004 where an elderly judge was told by a
lawyer in his brief from the RIAA that from the metadata and
the hash you could tell that these were illegally copied files,
which was of course nonsense. But the judge actually referred
to that in his decision as to why he was upholding the
subpoena. Once they get the name and address of the victim, they then
basically seek to extort a settlement of either $3750 or
$4250. If the victim calls them up and tells them that they've
never even done any file sharing of any kind, that they have
no idea what it's about, that they're completely innocent, the
RIAA doesn't care and then it commences a federal lawsuit. Now, defending a federal lawsuit is an extremely costly
process. If you get into the merits of the case to prove that
you're innocent, you've already lost because under any
scenario you're talking tens of thousands of dollars at least in
legal expenses in order to defend such a case. Now there are some very important cases going on. In my
office we've tried to attack process early on. We're the only
firm that lately has made motions to vacate the John Doe
cases. Once the name and address is known and they sue a
person in their name, they still have this extremely vague
complaint which tells you nothing because they know nothing.
They say the defendant downloaded, distributed and/or made
available for distribution certain song files. But they have no
evidence of any downloading, they have no evidence of any
distributing. And at most they can say that someone who
might somehow be associated with the ip address might have
made some files available. But they certainly don't know that
the defendant did. All they know that the defendant did was to write out a check
for internet access. Now, we've tried to point out in our John
Doe cases that the technical underpinning of the investigation
is meaningless, that the metadata doesn't tell you anything,
that it can be scrubbed, that it can be changed, that any real
pirate would never leave the metadata of the thing he had
perloined. And the IP address makes no sense because any
real pirate would be using someone else's internet access
account. The metadata tells you nohting, the hashmarks do
not conclusively establish anything. Even seeing the shared
files folder doesn't tell you which computer it resided on
because all of these networks use one form or another of a
hierarchy of computers (those with fast broadband
connections and those with slow broadband connections, so
you have the nodes and super nodes or whatever terminology
they use). So that when you see the shared files, all you're
seeing is metadata from one computer or from a group of
computers that are connected to one node, but the judges
have no clue. They actually won't even let me talk about it.
One of the three motions had no oral argument. And the two
that had an oral argument, the judges would not let me speak
and kept cutting me off.>>> Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. >> Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. >> Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. > Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. > Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. Now, there's a case called Electro vs. Barker which has
become very important. This is a nursing student who was
sued in her name. We made a motion to dismiss the complaint
because doesn't specify any acts or dates or times of
copyright infringement as the law normally requires. We've
made several arguments like that before this motion and the
RIAA put in an argument which basically fudged it. However,
in this case they basically decided to go for the gold and they
made a bold argument claiming that merely making files
available on the internet is in and of itself a copyright
infringement. It was a shocking argument because if it were
accepted it would probably shut down the entire internet. As a result of that bold argument, certain organizations came
in putting in an amicus curiae brief to support Miss Barker's
motion to dismiss. In reaction to that the Motion Picture
Association and the United States Government put in briefs
supporting the RIAA trying to... Well, the Motion Picture
Association directly supported that extreme argument. The US
government didn't quite go that far but it tried to support the
RIAA by attacking another argument that had been made by
the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Meanwhile, Miss Barker is a nursing student. She has no
money. She lives in the housing projects, and she has to have
lawyers reviewing all these briefs, writing briefs for her etc.
Now, this case is pending and the judge may call for oral
argument or he may render a decision. But if our motion to dismiss is granted and sustained on
appeal it would mean the end of the RIAA juggernaut against
innocent people not known to have committed a copyright
infringement. And yet we've received no support of any kind
from anywhere, and Miss Barker has no resources to defend
this case. In the case UMG vs. Lindor where the defendant Lindor is a
home health aid who's never used a computer. She's never
used a computer, she's never owned a computer, she's never
even turned on a computer. The only connection she has had
to a computer is that she has on occasion dusted near the
parts which she believes are a computer. And yet she is being
sued as an online distributor in peer to peer file sharing. This
is a case started by her so we were not able to (we stepped in
in the middle) so we're not able to attack the complaint, but
we're seeking information on the cartel-like behavior of the
RIAA and we're in all kinds of discovery disputes. The RIAA is
trying to conceal information about how it conducts its
"investigation" to conceal the information on how the different
companies work together to run this campaign to destroy
competition in digital music. All these discovery disputes... There have been depositions
and now they're calling... They've already deposed her and her
son, they now want to depose various other relatives and her
daughter. And meanwhile they've stonwalled every discovery
request we've made. And unless the world comes together
and helps these defenseless people the RIAA is going to win
all these battles one way or another and they're going to
rewrite the copyright law.end.
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
