Peter T.
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I hear all the time, Marc, how disgusted conservatives are with respect to the country's finances. They
complain about the deficit, debt, and the "bloated" public sector. Since the president took office, the
annual budget deficit has been cut in half. And the combined American public sector (local, state,
and federal) has fewer employees that it did in 2006. Of course the nation debt has risen, it had to. Remember, the debt results from money coming in
and money going out. When the president took office, we were in a free-fall, tax collections were of
course down because that's what happens during a deep recession. People are out of work so the
income tax collections fall. People aren't spending so sales/meals tax collections are down. Spending
was naturally up because we had two wars going on and the consensus among economists was that
you don't engage in austerity at such a time as it will make the recession worse, so you have to
spend, especially when the private sector was not doing it. Look what cutting back on spending did
to Europe! If the feds suddenly applied the spending brake, we'd be in even deeper shit with far
greater deficits. So where do we go from here? Remember, Marc, the president came out years ago for a Grand
Bargain (spending cuts in exchange for some tax increases, especially on the high end earners who
have done ridiculously well). And what was the GOP's response? A resounding NO! The truth of the matter is that the bulk of spending has traditionally gone to
Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security, Defense, Other Mandated Spending, and Interest on the Debt.
Discretionary domestic spending is surprisingly low (about 16% of the budget in the late 2000s). Here are a few things we need to do as a country:1. Debate the role of government with HONEST numbers and a THOUGHTFUL analysis. This will be
hard for Americans because it will require work, and the right should not just be spoon fed the party
line from Fox News and the left should similarly not be fooled by MSNBC.2. Health care costs have to come down. Will the ACA work? I think it's a start, and a lot of work is
ahead of us, a lot! Crucial to reducing these costs should be an examination of End of Life issues.
Again, a thoughtful, sober analysis and an honest debate has to occur. Palin's talk of "death panels"
was sickening. I make no apologies for making health care for all Americans a national priority. 3. We should lift the cap that the upper income folks pay on social security. I think they only pay on
the first $117,000 earned. Lifting this cap would sustain SS for decades to come. We also need to
delay the date that Americans can collect SS and be eligible for medicare. I know, this sucks, but this
has been a problem that's been kicked down the road forever.4. Personal responsibility has to be debated on so many levels. With obesity and the related costs
skyrocketing, we have to do a better job of subsidizing good choices and taxing bad ones. Education
in this, and other personal, lifestyle choices needs to be debated. This could extend to college
choices, subsidizing contraception, forced 401 K savings, and many things that aren't occurring to
me now.I take a backseat to no one when it comes to worrying about our national finances. Over twenty years
ago, I joined The Concord Coalition, the nation's most prominent organization dedicated to this
issue. I admit to letting my membership lapse after Clinton began racking up surpluses, but it's a
subject I care deeply about. You talk about the emergence of the Tea Party, Marc. My sense is that they realize something is very
wrong in the area of our national finances but I think the vast majority of them are profoundly
ignorant of the specifics, profoundly. Peter T.
Peter T.
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I hear all the time, Marc, how disgusted conservatives are with respect to the country's finances. They
complain about the deficit, debt, and the "bloated" public sector. Since the president took office, the
annual budget deficit has been cut in half. And the combined American public sector (local, state,
and federal) has fewer employees that it did in 2006. Of course the nation debt has risen, it had to. Remember, the debt results from money coming in
and money going out. When the president took office, we were in a free-fall, tax collections were of
course down because that's what happens during a deep recession. People are out of work so the
income tax collections fall. People aren't spending so sales/meals tax collections are down. Spending
was naturally up because we had two wars going on and the consensus among economists was that
you don't engage in austerity at such a time as it will make the recession worse, so you have to
spend, especially when the private sector was not doing it. Look what cutting back on spending did
to Europe! If the feds suddenly applied the spending brake, we'd be in even deeper shit with far
greater deficits. So where do we go from here? Remember, Marc, the president came out years ago for a Grand
Bargain (spending cuts in exchange for some tax increases, especially on the high end earners who
have done ridiculously well). And what was the GOP's response? A resounding NO! The truth of the matter is that the bulk of spending has traditionally gone to
Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security, Defense, Other Mandated Spending, and Interest on the Debt.
Discretionary domestic spending is surprisingly low (about 16% of the budget in the late 2000s). Here are a few things we need to do as a country:1. Debate the role of government with HONEST numbers and a THOUGHTFUL analysis. This will be
hard for Americans because it will require work, and the right should not just be spoon fed the party
line from Fox News and the left should similarly not be fooled by MSNBC.2. Health care costs have to come down. Will the ACA work? I think it's a start, and a lot of work is
ahead of us, a lot! Crucial to reducing these costs should be an examination of End of Life issues.
Again, a thoughtful, sober analysis and an honest debate has to occur. Palin's talk of "death panels"
was sickening. I make no apologies for making health care for all Americans a national priority. 3. We should lift the cap that the upper income folks pay on social security. I think they only pay on
the first $117,000 earned. Lifting this cap would sustain SS for decades to come. We also need to
delay the date that Americans can collect SS and be eligible for medicare. I know, this sucks, but this
has been a problem that's been kicked down the road forever.4. Personal responsibility has to be debated on so many levels. With obesity and the related costs
skyrocketing, we have to do a better job of subsidizing good choices and taxing bad ones. Education
in this, and other personal, lifestyle choices needs to be debated. This could extend to college
choices, subsidizing contraception, forced 401 K savings, and many things that aren't occurring to
me now.I take a backseat to no one when it comes to worrying about our national finances. Over twenty years
ago, I joined The Concord Coalition, the nation's most prominent organization dedicated to this
issue. I admit to letting my membership lapse after Clinton began racking up surpluses, but it's a
subject I care deeply about. You talk about the emergence of the Tea Party, Marc. My sense is that they realize something is very
wrong in the area of our national finances but I think the vast majority of them are profoundly
ignorant of the specifics, profoundly. Peter T.
posted 2014.06.29
posted on June 29th 2014
Peter T.
location: New Hampshire
listening to: Too much of everything!
registered: 1999.05.20
posts: 3017
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You were right... – Kevin G on June 20th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Dan on June 22nd, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Kathryn on June 23rd, 2014-
Re: You were right... – messybear on June 25th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Kevin G on June 25th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Marc on June 28th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Kevin G on June 28th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Marc on June 28th, 2014-
Fiscal Ignorance In America (I took a long time to write this so you'll damn well read it) – Peter T. on June 29th, 2014-
I read it Peter and it was thoughtful and well written but – Marc on June 29th, 2014
Re: You were right... – Kevin G on June 29th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Marc on June 29th, 2014-
Holy shit... – EEE on June 29th, 2014-
Re: Holy shit... – Maureen on July 2nd, 2014-
Re: Holy shit... – edlorah on July 2nd, 2014-
Re: Holy shit... – Dan on July 2nd, 2014-
Re: Holy shit... – pkjensen on July 3rd, 2014-
We're #1, We're #1... – Peter T. on July 3rd, 2014-
Re: We're #1, We're #1... – Dslacker on July 3rd, 2014
Shakin' All Over – Peter T. on June 29th, 2014-
Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 3rd, 2014-
To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Green Mtn on July 4th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 4th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – PatBrown on July 4th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Dan on July 5th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Green Mtn on July 5th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 5th, 2014
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 5th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Reg on July 14th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 18th, 2014
Pat...go back... – EEE on July 5th, 2014-
Re: Pat...go back... – PatBrown on July 5th, 2014
Re: Pat...go back... – Marc on July 5th, 2014
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 9th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Dan on July 10th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 18th, 2014
As an ole drill sgt used to say, "Observe my demonstrator"... – EEE on July 11th, 2014
Just returned from a week in Washington DC and I thought they didn't get along... – Peter T. on July 12th, 2014-
Re: Just returned from a week in Washington DC and I thought they didn't get along... – Marc on July 18th, 2014
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