Green Mtn
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Hey Reg:> I think I've said in the past, Greenie that the nature of things at
this point in our history is such that we have no choice but to be,
one and all, internationalists. I think I've said in the past, Greenie that the nature of things at
this point in our history is such that we have no choice but to be,
one and all, internationalists. I think I've said in the past, Greenie that the nature of things at
this point in our history is such that we have no choice but to be,
one and all, internationalists. That reasoning requires we relinquish our national sovereignty.
Which I do not support as it means our Constitution and Bill of
Rights will be effectively abrogated(in fact, if not in the promises to
the contrary that are already being offered). Real ID and
international precedents being cited in our Supreme Court are
current examples, and should be warning enough.> Technology has shrunk our planet and economically nations are
more entwined than ever. Technology has shrunk our planet and economically nations are
more entwined than ever. Technology has shrunk our planet and economically nations are
more entwined than ever. What a bunch of rubbish Reg, I am surprised you repeat such
specious language. Technology has improved transportation and
communications which has improved the efficiency of money
transference for commerce's purposes along with speeding delivery
of goods somewhat, but the planet being smaller?!? Nor does that
reasoning require, or justify, our meddling in other nations internal
affairs for an elite fews enrichment at the expense of the human
resources of this, or any nation.> I understand what you are saying and how that idea of
internationalism has a negative connotation but the reality
is...that's where we are at. I understand what you are saying and how that idea of
internationalism has a negative connotation but the reality
is...that's where we are at. I understand what you are saying and how that idea of
internationalism has a negative connotation but the reality
is...that's where we are at. Only because of machinations and the continuing concerted
sophist arguments that have twisted Washington', Jefferson' and
any average mans true desire not to interfere with, or be interfered
with, another unnecessarily. > There's no shutting it off now, it's a global economy. There is no
way of pulling back now, from my perspective. There's no shutting it off now, it's a global economy. There is no
way of pulling back now, from my perspective. There's no shutting it off now, it's a global economy. There is no
way of pulling back now, from my perspective.Global Economy is a relatively new catch-phrase for something that
has existed for centuries. In fact, for millennia, in terms of
worldwide trade.> My question to you would be, how do we move away from being
internationalists? My question to you would be, how do we move away from being
internationalists? My question to you would be, how do we move away from being
internationalists? #1 We get new leaders who are demonstratably loyal to American
principles. Naturally this would require real education and
governmental transparency -which our founders said would be
necessary, if order to remain freemen- neither of which are widely
available, or encouraged today. And that would be just the
beginning of what would be necessary to right this nation;#2, we quit inserting ourselves in other nations internal affairs.
Which would necessarily include bringing our troops home
immediately;#3, we, as individuals, and as a nation, should return to America's
historical roots and quit falling for the fear-mongering that -with
much propaganda, beginning in the late nineteenth/early 20th
century- came to, and continues to, wrongly surround the term,
'isolationism'.George Washington's farewell speech was largely about avoiding
political alliances:“It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any
portion of the foreign world.”"There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real
favors from nation to nation." --George WashingtonThomas Jefferson spoke of having, 'entangling alliances with none'
in his first inaugural address in 1801.Isolationism in their day, was not to be taken as economic or
cultural independence but as abstention from political or military
obligations, from alliances or from purposeful entanglement in the
European balance of power. It would be wise, in our day, to
expand that to the entirety of the world as George Washington
originally suggested. Then perhaps we would become
internationally honored as that shining city on the hill which
Reagan often spoke of.> It was you that posted our situation with China and how
important a part they play in our domestic economy, wasn't it? It was you that posted our situation with China and how
important a part they play in our domestic economy, wasn't it? It was you that posted our situation with China and how
important a part they play in our domestic economy, wasn't it? Yep, at least once. It's a problem that could have been avoided if
our leaders had been looking out for us as they are paid to do after
swearing to uphold our Constitution, and then warned the citizenry
before the danger was uncontrollable. But like so many other
situations I could point to, our national government has repeatedly
failed the American people for other than the profit of the people
they swear to serve.> Also, how would you equate a fascist and an internationalist? Also, how would you equate a fascist and an internationalist? Also, how would you equate a fascist and an internationalist?That's easy.
Hilter was a National Socialist(people forget that while fixating on
the evils of the Nazi Party).
Stalin was a Socialist(communism being the intermediate stage
until true socialism flowered after the regrettable but necessary
oppression of the masses).
FDR was a Socialist, if not in name, certainly in deed.
Fascism, Socialism, and Communism are all interchangeable
tyrannical international movements intent on a single governing
body for the entire world.Do consider too David's remarks posted today in another thread
regarding who supported who & what leading up to WWII. While
searching to verify his position, a great deal more accurate
conclusions, regarding our present situation, could not be
reasonably avoided.BTW, I was wanting you to explain Hegel’s Dialectic: Thesis,
Antithesis, and Synthesis. Not that Leo Strauss, whom way too
many in the present administration admire, would have any
objection to employing Hegel's Dialectic upon Americans. The
ends justifying the means and all that rot....Good to read you Reg and thanks for the fascist piece.
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
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Hey Reg:> I think I've said in the past, Greenie that the nature of things at
this point in our history is such that we have no choice but to be,
one and all, internationalists. I think I've said in the past, Greenie that the nature of things at
this point in our history is such that we have no choice but to be,
one and all, internationalists. I think I've said in the past, Greenie that the nature of things at
this point in our history is such that we have no choice but to be,
one and all, internationalists. That reasoning requires we relinquish our national sovereignty.
Which I do not support as it means our Constitution and Bill of
Rights will be effectively abrogated(in fact, if not in the promises to
the contrary that are already being offered). Real ID and
international precedents being cited in our Supreme Court are
current examples, and should be warning enough.> Technology has shrunk our planet and economically nations are
more entwined than ever. Technology has shrunk our planet and economically nations are
more entwined than ever. Technology has shrunk our planet and economically nations are
more entwined than ever. What a bunch of rubbish Reg, I am surprised you repeat such
specious language. Technology has improved transportation and
communications which has improved the efficiency of money
transference for commerce's purposes along with speeding delivery
of goods somewhat, but the planet being smaller?!? Nor does that
reasoning require, or justify, our meddling in other nations internal
affairs for an elite fews enrichment at the expense of the human
resources of this, or any nation.> I understand what you are saying and how that idea of
internationalism has a negative connotation but the reality
is...that's where we are at. I understand what you are saying and how that idea of
internationalism has a negative connotation but the reality
is...that's where we are at. I understand what you are saying and how that idea of
internationalism has a negative connotation but the reality
is...that's where we are at. Only because of machinations and the continuing concerted
sophist arguments that have twisted Washington', Jefferson' and
any average mans true desire not to interfere with, or be interfered
with, another unnecessarily. > There's no shutting it off now, it's a global economy. There is no
way of pulling back now, from my perspective. There's no shutting it off now, it's a global economy. There is no
way of pulling back now, from my perspective. There's no shutting it off now, it's a global economy. There is no
way of pulling back now, from my perspective.Global Economy is a relatively new catch-phrase for something that
has existed for centuries. In fact, for millennia, in terms of
worldwide trade.> My question to you would be, how do we move away from being
internationalists? My question to you would be, how do we move away from being
internationalists? My question to you would be, how do we move away from being
internationalists? #1 We get new leaders who are demonstratably loyal to American
principles. Naturally this would require real education and
governmental transparency -which our founders said would be
necessary, if order to remain freemen- neither of which are widely
available, or encouraged today. And that would be just the
beginning of what would be necessary to right this nation;#2, we quit inserting ourselves in other nations internal affairs.
Which would necessarily include bringing our troops home
immediately;#3, we, as individuals, and as a nation, should return to America's
historical roots and quit falling for the fear-mongering that -with
much propaganda, beginning in the late nineteenth/early 20th
century- came to, and continues to, wrongly surround the term,
'isolationism'.George Washington's farewell speech was largely about avoiding
political alliances:“It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any
portion of the foreign world.”"There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real
favors from nation to nation." --George WashingtonThomas Jefferson spoke of having, 'entangling alliances with none'
in his first inaugural address in 1801.Isolationism in their day, was not to be taken as economic or
cultural independence but as abstention from political or military
obligations, from alliances or from purposeful entanglement in the
European balance of power. It would be wise, in our day, to
expand that to the entirety of the world as George Washington
originally suggested. Then perhaps we would become
internationally honored as that shining city on the hill which
Reagan often spoke of.> It was you that posted our situation with China and how
important a part they play in our domestic economy, wasn't it? It was you that posted our situation with China and how
important a part they play in our domestic economy, wasn't it? It was you that posted our situation with China and how
important a part they play in our domestic economy, wasn't it? Yep, at least once. It's a problem that could have been avoided if
our leaders had been looking out for us as they are paid to do after
swearing to uphold our Constitution, and then warned the citizenry
before the danger was uncontrollable. But like so many other
situations I could point to, our national government has repeatedly
failed the American people for other than the profit of the people
they swear to serve.> Also, how would you equate a fascist and an internationalist? Also, how would you equate a fascist and an internationalist? Also, how would you equate a fascist and an internationalist?That's easy.
Hilter was a National Socialist(people forget that while fixating on
the evils of the Nazi Party).
Stalin was a Socialist(communism being the intermediate stage
until true socialism flowered after the regrettable but necessary
oppression of the masses).
FDR was a Socialist, if not in name, certainly in deed.
Fascism, Socialism, and Communism are all interchangeable
tyrannical international movements intent on a single governing
body for the entire world.Do consider too David's remarks posted today in another thread
regarding who supported who & what leading up to WWII. While
searching to verify his position, a great deal more accurate
conclusions, regarding our present situation, could not be
reasonably avoided.BTW, I was wanting you to explain Hegel’s Dialectic: Thesis,
Antithesis, and Synthesis. Not that Leo Strauss, whom way too
many in the present administration admire, would have any
objection to employing Hegel's Dialectic upon Americans. The
ends justifying the means and all that rot....Good to read you Reg and thanks for the fascist piece.
–--
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.” Wm O. Douglas
