Peter T.
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Thank you, Marc, for sharing your concerns and I'll try to focus my response in 4-5 areas as you
jumped around a bit (that's not a criticism, sir). :) I must disagree with you as to the accuracy of the
statements that I presented on my earlier response to you. Should you wish to cite alternative data,
I'm all ears. Anyway, please spend some time with these thoughts as I have again devoted a fair
amount of time to what you posted.
Unions: I believe unions have been an essential way for individuals to have power collectively in
a way
that the individuals could not acquire it on their own. During the 50s, union membership was about
35% of the workforce and it's now down to about 11%. Unfortunately, this decline correlates in almost
lockstep with the decline in the middle classes share of income. In a time increasing wealth
inequality, we need more union membership, not less of it. Globalization has crushed the ability of
blue collar workers to secure living wage jobs and it's only going to get worse. Have there been
excesses in union benefits? Yes, and many cities and towns are going to have to reduce the overly
generous pensions/health care benefits that were granted to municipal workers. Detroit's situation
perfectly illustrates this fiscal reality. And remember, when these extravagant benefits were
negotiated, management was on the other side of the table from the unions and management agreed
to them. Your talk of your concern for "average Joe" and your railing against the wealthy bankers, etc.
seems to conflict with your disdain for unions and the average Joes and Janes that they represent,
Marc. I don't see how you can be against each side.
Inefficiency of Government: Those who intensely dislike government (Grover Norquist being the
most
extreme example) need to remember the innumerable success stories: social security (in an earlier
post I've offered a way to shore it up for decades to come), medicare (ditto), military, National
Institute of Health, CDC, interstate highway system, EPA, Internet, GI Bill (mom and dad went to
college on that one), FAA, National Weather Service, and there are of course many more. Are there
examples where cuts could be made, of course, and they should be publicly debated and subject to
the democratic process like anything else. Inefficiencies will always be present, always, but that
doesn't mean programs should not be in place. Perfection should not be the enemy of the good. Are
there lessons to be learned from private sector practices, you bet. I just can't abide the ignorant
chants of government is bad, cut government, etc. etc. It replaces thoughtful debate, is insulting, and
can hurt those most vulnerable, Marc. Again, these are the folks you say you care about. And I don't
doubt your concerns, sir.
Wall Street: I totally agree that it's scandalous that many in the banking/financial services sector
haven't been tried, convicted, and sentenced. As I posted earlier, too big to fail institutions have to be
broken up. Elizabeth Warren has been a strong, vocal advocate in this area and I'm sorry, but the tea
partiers generally don't side with this senator. She is truly looking out for the most vulnerable.
Gun Rights: You seem fixated on the left's plan for what you call "total disarmament". SCOTUS
has
ruled and the second amendment isn't going away, Marc. The paranoia on the right has been frankly
shocking. Doesn't this crowd read the papers? Do they only talk amongst themselves in their insular
little Internet bubble? You guys won the firearms debate. And the statistics I posted recently on per
capita firearms deaths by country attest to this. It's not that Americans have better aim when it comes
to killing their fellow citizens, it's that so many Americans are packing such lethal heat. Boggles my
mind it does.
Bad Parenting: I have taught for ten years now, Marc, and typically, I've observed that roughly
25% of
my students have behaviors that range from mildly to greatly challenging. Now, I'm not in a city
where I know that percentage would increase, and possibly dramatically. Over the 15 or so years I've
been on this board, I've often mentioned that out-of-wedlock-birth are an enormous problem in our
country. These children are far more likely to grow up in poverty, struggle in school, and not achieve
social mobility. I've had the helicopter parents that you refer to and yes, they are a problem and can
stifle their child's growth. Still, I think their kids do a lot better than those from one-parent
households. And I'm not saying there aren't success stories from single moms and dads, it's just that
it's so much more difficult. So where to go? I think we need a sustained national conversation on what
good parenting really looks like. It needs to be stressed that it means putting your child's welfare
FIRST. Too many parents do not do this, and I see the effects in my classroom all of the time. It's a
damn shame. On a personal level, my wife and I bought a very small house, below actually what we
could have afforded, so I could be home with our daughter for her first eight years. We saved and
saved and gladly didn't "keep up with the Joneses" in order to do what was best for our child. There
just isn't enough of this. We need public service announcements, and we need the president talking a
hell of a lot more about this (he knows what a single family household was like), and we need
CONTRACEPTION available to all for free! I share your concern for the culture of dependency, Marc. I
only fear that the children will suffer even more if benefits are ended. I mean, we're not going to put
millions of children in government custody, right? It's an incredibly vexing issue and very troubling
for our future.
Peter T.
Peter T.
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Thank you, Marc, for sharing your concerns and I'll try to focus my response in 4-5 areas as you
jumped around a bit (that's not a criticism, sir). :) I must disagree with you as to the accuracy of the
statements that I presented on my earlier response to you. Should you wish to cite alternative data,
I'm all ears. Anyway, please spend some time with these thoughts as I have again devoted a fair
amount of time to what you posted.
Unions: I believe unions have been an essential way for individuals to have power collectively in
a way
that the individuals could not acquire it on their own. During the 50s, union membership was about
35% of the workforce and it's now down to about 11%. Unfortunately, this decline correlates in almost
lockstep with the decline in the middle classes share of income. In a time increasing wealth
inequality, we need more union membership, not less of it. Globalization has crushed the ability of
blue collar workers to secure living wage jobs and it's only going to get worse. Have there been
excesses in union benefits? Yes, and many cities and towns are going to have to reduce the overly
generous pensions/health care benefits that were granted to municipal workers. Detroit's situation
perfectly illustrates this fiscal reality. And remember, when these extravagant benefits were
negotiated, management was on the other side of the table from the unions and management agreed
to them. Your talk of your concern for "average Joe" and your railing against the wealthy bankers, etc.
seems to conflict with your disdain for unions and the average Joes and Janes that they represent,
Marc. I don't see how you can be against each side.
Inefficiency of Government: Those who intensely dislike government (Grover Norquist being the
most
extreme example) need to remember the innumerable success stories: social security (in an earlier
post I've offered a way to shore it up for decades to come), medicare (ditto), military, National
Institute of Health, CDC, interstate highway system, EPA, Internet, GI Bill (mom and dad went to
college on that one), FAA, National Weather Service, and there are of course many more. Are there
examples where cuts could be made, of course, and they should be publicly debated and subject to
the democratic process like anything else. Inefficiencies will always be present, always, but that
doesn't mean programs should not be in place. Perfection should not be the enemy of the good. Are
there lessons to be learned from private sector practices, you bet. I just can't abide the ignorant
chants of government is bad, cut government, etc. etc. It replaces thoughtful debate, is insulting, and
can hurt those most vulnerable, Marc. Again, these are the folks you say you care about. And I don't
doubt your concerns, sir.
Wall Street: I totally agree that it's scandalous that many in the banking/financial services sector
haven't been tried, convicted, and sentenced. As I posted earlier, too big to fail institutions have to be
broken up. Elizabeth Warren has been a strong, vocal advocate in this area and I'm sorry, but the tea
partiers generally don't side with this senator. She is truly looking out for the most vulnerable.
Gun Rights: You seem fixated on the left's plan for what you call "total disarmament". SCOTUS
has
ruled and the second amendment isn't going away, Marc. The paranoia on the right has been frankly
shocking. Doesn't this crowd read the papers? Do they only talk amongst themselves in their insular
little Internet bubble? You guys won the firearms debate. And the statistics I posted recently on per
capita firearms deaths by country attest to this. It's not that Americans have better aim when it comes
to killing their fellow citizens, it's that so many Americans are packing such lethal heat. Boggles my
mind it does.
Bad Parenting: I have taught for ten years now, Marc, and typically, I've observed that roughly
25% of
my students have behaviors that range from mildly to greatly challenging. Now, I'm not in a city
where I know that percentage would increase, and possibly dramatically. Over the 15 or so years I've
been on this board, I've often mentioned that out-of-wedlock-birth are an enormous problem in our
country. These children are far more likely to grow up in poverty, struggle in school, and not achieve
social mobility. I've had the helicopter parents that you refer to and yes, they are a problem and can
stifle their child's growth. Still, I think their kids do a lot better than those from one-parent
households. And I'm not saying there aren't success stories from single moms and dads, it's just that
it's so much more difficult. So where to go? I think we need a sustained national conversation on what
good parenting really looks like. It needs to be stressed that it means putting your child's welfare
FIRST. Too many parents do not do this, and I see the effects in my classroom all of the time. It's a
damn shame. On a personal level, my wife and I bought a very small house, below actually what we
could have afforded, so I could be home with our daughter for her first eight years. We saved and
saved and gladly didn't "keep up with the Joneses" in order to do what was best for our child. There
just isn't enough of this. We need public service announcements, and we need the president talking a
hell of a lot more about this (he knows what a single family household was like), and we need
CONTRACEPTION available to all for free! I share your concern for the culture of dependency, Marc. I
only fear that the children will suffer even more if benefits are ended. I mean, we're not going to put
millions of children in government custody, right? It's an incredibly vexing issue and very troubling
for our future.
Peter T.
posted 2014.07.05
posted on July 5th 2014
Peter T.
location: New Hampshire
listening to: Too much of everything!
registered: 1999.05.20
posts: 3017
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You were right... – Kevin G on June 20th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Dan on June 22nd, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Kathryn on June 23rd, 2014-
Re: You were right... – messybear on June 25th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Kevin G on June 25th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Marc on June 28th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Kevin G on June 28th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Marc on June 28th, 2014-
Fiscal Ignorance In America (I took a long time to write this so you'll damn well read it) – Peter T. on June 29th, 2014-
I read it Peter and it was thoughtful and well written but – Marc on June 29th, 2014
Re: You were right... – Kevin G on June 29th, 2014-
Re: You were right... – Marc on June 29th, 2014-
Holy shit... – EEE on June 29th, 2014-
Re: Holy shit... – Maureen on July 2nd, 2014-
Re: Holy shit... – edlorah on July 2nd, 2014-
Re: Holy shit... – Dan on July 2nd, 2014-
Re: Holy shit... – pkjensen on July 3rd, 2014-
We're #1, We're #1... – Peter T. on July 3rd, 2014-
Re: We're #1, We're #1... – Dslacker on July 3rd, 2014
Shakin' All Over – Peter T. on June 29th, 2014-
Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 3rd, 2014-
To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Green Mtn on July 4th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 4th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – PatBrown on July 4th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Dan on July 5th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Green Mtn on July 5th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 5th, 2014
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 5th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Reg on July 14th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 18th, 2014
Pat...go back... – EEE on July 5th, 2014-
Re: Pat...go back... – PatBrown on July 5th, 2014
Re: Pat...go back... – Marc on July 5th, 2014
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 9th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Dan on July 10th, 2014-
Re: To Be Continued: Re: Shakin' All Over – Marc on July 18th, 2014
As an ole drill sgt used to say, "Observe my demonstrator"... – EEE on July 11th, 2014
Just returned from a week in Washington DC and I thought they didn't get along... – Peter T. on July 12th, 2014-
Re: Just returned from a week in Washington DC and I thought they didn't get along... – Marc on July 18th, 2014
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