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Yes, we can kill people with a lot of stuff, however, this is not evidence
that a gun is just a tool and the equivalent of a screwdriver. It's a false
argument to say that and basically gun lobby nonsense. To put it in context
I could say "Well, all Americans should be allowed to own rocket launchers
because very few people in the United States each year are killed in rocket
launcher attacks. Therefore rocket launchers are a safer weapon to own than
a gun!" then back that up with a statistic that shows that more people are
killed by vegetable peelers each year in this country than rocket launchers.
Just because when nobody is holding one of these things it is just an
inanimate object does not make them the same thing. You know as well as I do that if we made it legal for everybody to have a
rocket launcher and sales of rocket launchers spiked we'd get a bunch of
deaths due to rocket launchers. Yes, if somebody really wants to kill somebody they likely will and you
don't need to have a gun to do it but having a gun makes it a hell of a lot
easier and increases your chances of success exponentially. Not to mention
making it a hell of a lot easier to kill several people with a lot less
effort. I mean if your goal is to go into Wal-Mart and kill 10 people with a
hammer that's going to take some time and a lot of chasing people
around...not to mention the hand to hand combat part of that where you meet
the wrong guy and he takes your hammer away and uses it on you. I don't want to take away your gun and I don't want you to be a victim of
any kind. I think it is fine that you own a gun. I would hope that if it
came down to it and you had to defend yourself and your family that you
could do so without anybody getting hurt. If things escalate to the point
where a gun has to be involved I do expect somebody will end up badly
injured or killed...and really that's a tragedy because I know you are a
decent guy and even if you had to shoot your neighbor in self defense you
would not feel very good about it. I don't think we deal with mental illness or gun safety in this country very
well. That's why I think gun violence is a national health crisis. On top of which, sure, on most days we are well balanced individuals that
make the right decisions on how to deal with things...but how many times do
people just snap? It happens. Regular down to earth people occasionally go
nuts...right out of the blue. So, a guy with a gun could be a "good" gun
owner one day and a stark raving lunatic the next maybe due to some horrible
thing happening to him or he just walks in on his wife screwing another man. The idea is not to take guns away from "good" gun owners but just to make it
a greater responsibility to own a gun and create rules to play by that allow
for regular checks of the gun owner and his guns. I would tie gun ownership
in with drivers licences and put on your drivers license that you are a gun
owner. Classify your gun ownership status on the license and make you go
through renewal procedures same as you must to drive a car. I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't hate guns or fear them...unless
one is pointed at me. I just think we need to raise the bar to own a deadly
weapon. Let's not forget too that in many areas of this country a "good" gun
owner can buy as many weapons and as much ammo as he wants and once he walks
out of the store it is anybody's guess what he does with those guns. He can
resell them to people that are not going to be "good" gun owners and who
intend to use them for purposes beyond the law...and this happens daily in
this country.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
Reg
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Yes, we can kill people with a lot of stuff, however, this is not evidence
that a gun is just a tool and the equivalent of a screwdriver. It's a false
argument to say that and basically gun lobby nonsense. To put it in context
I could say "Well, all Americans should be allowed to own rocket launchers
because very few people in the United States each year are killed in rocket
launcher attacks. Therefore rocket launchers are a safer weapon to own than
a gun!" then back that up with a statistic that shows that more people are
killed by vegetable peelers each year in this country than rocket launchers.
Just because when nobody is holding one of these things it is just an
inanimate object does not make them the same thing. You know as well as I do that if we made it legal for everybody to have a
rocket launcher and sales of rocket launchers spiked we'd get a bunch of
deaths due to rocket launchers. Yes, if somebody really wants to kill somebody they likely will and you
don't need to have a gun to do it but having a gun makes it a hell of a lot
easier and increases your chances of success exponentially. Not to mention
making it a hell of a lot easier to kill several people with a lot less
effort. I mean if your goal is to go into Wal-Mart and kill 10 people with a
hammer that's going to take some time and a lot of chasing people
around...not to mention the hand to hand combat part of that where you meet
the wrong guy and he takes your hammer away and uses it on you. I don't want to take away your gun and I don't want you to be a victim of
any kind. I think it is fine that you own a gun. I would hope that if it
came down to it and you had to defend yourself and your family that you
could do so without anybody getting hurt. If things escalate to the point
where a gun has to be involved I do expect somebody will end up badly
injured or killed...and really that's a tragedy because I know you are a
decent guy and even if you had to shoot your neighbor in self defense you
would not feel very good about it. I don't think we deal with mental illness or gun safety in this country very
well. That's why I think gun violence is a national health crisis. On top of which, sure, on most days we are well balanced individuals that
make the right decisions on how to deal with things...but how many times do
people just snap? It happens. Regular down to earth people occasionally go
nuts...right out of the blue. So, a guy with a gun could be a "good" gun
owner one day and a stark raving lunatic the next maybe due to some horrible
thing happening to him or he just walks in on his wife screwing another man. The idea is not to take guns away from "good" gun owners but just to make it
a greater responsibility to own a gun and create rules to play by that allow
for regular checks of the gun owner and his guns. I would tie gun ownership
in with drivers licences and put on your drivers license that you are a gun
owner. Classify your gun ownership status on the license and make you go
through renewal procedures same as you must to drive a car. I don't think that's unreasonable. I don't hate guns or fear them...unless
one is pointed at me. I just think we need to raise the bar to own a deadly
weapon. Let's not forget too that in many areas of this country a "good" gun
owner can buy as many weapons and as much ammo as he wants and once he walks
out of the store it is anybody's guess what he does with those guns. He can
resell them to people that are not going to be "good" gun owners and who
intend to use them for purposes beyond the law...and this happens daily in
this country.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
posted 2015.07.09
posted on July 9th 2015
Reg
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Speaking of guns... – dale on July 2nd, 2015-
Re: Speaking of guns... – Dan on July 2nd, 2015-
Input from EEE? – Peter T. on July 2nd, 2015-
I've given up on the gun debate.... – EEE on July 2nd, 2015-
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – randym on July 2nd, 2015
Not a gun-rights question, EEE... – Peter T. on July 2nd, 2015-
Given it some thought... – EEE on July 3rd, 2015-
Thanks EEE! – Peter T. on July 3rd, 2015
Re: Given it some thought... – randym on July 4th, 2015
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – Marc on July 7th, 2015-
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – Dan on July 8th, 2015-
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – dale on July 8th, 2015-
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – Dan on July 8th, 2015-
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – dale on July 9th, 2015
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – messybear on July 20th, 2015-
Re: given the gun debate... – messybear on July 26th, 2015
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – Reg on July 9th, 2015-
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – dale on July 9th, 2015-
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – Reg on July 9th, 2015-
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – dale on July 9th, 2015-
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – Reg on July 9th, 2015
Re: I've given up on the gun debate.... – Reg on July 9th, 2015
Re: I've Not Given Up On Dale – Peter T. on July 9th, 2015-
Re: I've Not Given Up On Dale – dale on July 9th, 2015-
Hypocrisy and Intolerance – Peter T. on July 9th, 2015
Dale is right... – Reg on July 12th, 2015
Re: I've Not Given Up On Dale – randym on July 10th, 2015
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