Understand Kevin...
Reg
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I'm all for having the state recognize your marriage as valid as they do mine. I don't really see how or why the state would make distinctions between us based on who we choose to marry. I'm all for people protesting for change. I'm all for honesty from politicians.
The thing is I think when we argue really hard for something we believe in we should try not to lose sight of the issues that surround whatever it is.
Dale is not saying you should not be allowed to marry. He brings up a good point about politicians subverting what they've taken an oath to uphold though. If we allow them to do so...for in this case what you see as a greater good and what seems fair and just...then it opens the door for another politician to use the same methods to tear down what you want to see built up using the same methods.
I believe Dale is correct that politicians...although they may feel strongly about an issue...should not manipulate and abuse their position to institute change. What you need to remain clear on is once they do that it opens the door for that tactic to continue. If one side gets away with it the other side will counter in the same manner. We're an impatient society and I think we all expect things to happen at an "on demand" or half hour sitcom velocity. It takes time for change to come...but if it's a righteous cause and people are willing to work for it, it will come.
This sort of forcing the issue can be damaging to the cause and to us as a society. You're correct, there is no reason they should not recognize you in the same way they recognize me in regards to asking for a marriage license. So, I believe it's a fight that will be won in your favor. I just wish people could see clearly the best way to get there.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
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I'm all for having the state recognize your marriage as valid as they do mine. I don't really see how or why the state would make distinctions between us based on who we choose to marry. I'm all for people protesting for change. I'm all for honesty from politicians.
The thing is I think when we argue really hard for something we believe in we should try not to lose sight of the issues that surround whatever it is.
Dale is not saying you should not be allowed to marry. He brings up a good point about politicians subverting what they've taken an oath to uphold though. If we allow them to do so...for in this case what you see as a greater good and what seems fair and just...then it opens the door for another politician to use the same methods to tear down what you want to see built up using the same methods.
I believe Dale is correct that politicians...although they may feel strongly about an issue...should not manipulate and abuse their position to institute change. What you need to remain clear on is once they do that it opens the door for that tactic to continue. If one side gets away with it the other side will counter in the same manner. We're an impatient society and I think we all expect things to happen at an "on demand" or half hour sitcom velocity. It takes time for change to come...but if it's a righteous cause and people are willing to work for it, it will come.
This sort of forcing the issue can be damaging to the cause and to us as a society. You're correct, there is no reason they should not recognize you in the same way they recognize me in regards to asking for a marriage license. So, I believe it's a fight that will be won in your favor. I just wish people could see clearly the best way to get there.
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
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