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You began this thread I hope you recall with a post titled "Let's talk about gun control" which went on to say the following:"It appears to me that the left has immediately glommend on to the idea that the EBR is the culprit (Evil Black Rifle) in the recent killing of 26 people (mostly children) in CT."Ok, so the first thing you do is politicize your argument by framing it with the "Left" going after a specific type of gun which you of course give a stupid name...the "Evil Black Rifle."So, obviously you want to talk politics because you are framing it that way.
Now, all I can tell you is that's not really the best way to begin the discussion and it sort of stinks of sarcasm with the whole "EBR" stupidity so...I think many people probably got the feeling you were just baiting the hook and looking for trouble.You continue:"As such, the immediate knee jerk reaction is to ban all EBRs. (but it failed BIG time for a lot of politicians the last time the left tried that and I can tell you why)"Again more politics and labeling the reaction to this horrific event "knee jerk" telling us that you are not taking things people are saying about the tragedy seriously and you don't think much of the reaction. Well, the reactions I recall to what happened had to do with yet another mass shooting, the deaths of children, dealing with mental illness in the country in a better way, and finding a way to prevent this kind of thing happening again including ways to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them. As far as I recall I don't remember anybody screaming about "evil black rifles" and banning them all...I do recall talk of reinstating the assault weapons ban of 1994 which had bipartisan support...see the following:-----------May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives:We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assault weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.Sincerely,Gerald R. FordJimmy CarterRonald Reagan----------------So, what you are babbling about is not even an accurate assessment of what is taking place but rather a reactionary rant from somebody worried about his AR-15 or that reads too much NRA propaganda. You continue in your opening post:
"I understand that (what you believe) on the very surface because I own one. I just don't think to mow down kids down with it. Or anybody else. But it does have a purpose and I am willing to talk about that."I think you may have wanted to word this in such a way that you do not seem to be mocking the idea that children were "mowed down" and I'm sure we all hope that is not something that goes through your head. Just a poor choice of words really.Then you wrap up by insulting everybody reading your post: "So ask a guy with an EBR anything and I will try to help you regain a logical sense."So, we're all illogical and the guy making smartass comments about a tragic shooting is the person we need to "help" us. It sure seems as if you have more concern about a shitty rifle than you do the tragic deaths of those children and the people you are mocking. For the record I am familiar with and have used a wide variety of weapons over the course of my life including the AR-15...so, I don't need you to tell me anything about it. You should probably have started by asking if people were familiar with these weapons rather than acting like a jackass. And you close out with:"Even though I know that on this front, you'll never understand. Here is a starter for you."Never understand what? You talk about these guns as if there is some mysterious secret behind them that you would need to journey to the top of the mountain and visit the oracle to understand...here's a clue...there's nothing to understand. You say this over and over in this thread "Oh this guy does not get it...this guy gets it!" then you post a video that appears to be a total joke. So, let me ask you this...why begin the conversation sounding like such an asshole if what you really wanted to do was to have a discussion?This was just your opening post and all you did was go downhill from there…
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
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You began this thread I hope you recall with a post titled "Let's talk about gun control" which went on to say the following:"It appears to me that the left has immediately glommend on to the idea that the EBR is the culprit (Evil Black Rifle) in the recent killing of 26 people (mostly children) in CT."Ok, so the first thing you do is politicize your argument by framing it with the "Left" going after a specific type of gun which you of course give a stupid name...the "Evil Black Rifle."So, obviously you want to talk politics because you are framing it that way.
Now, all I can tell you is that's not really the best way to begin the discussion and it sort of stinks of sarcasm with the whole "EBR" stupidity so...I think many people probably got the feeling you were just baiting the hook and looking for trouble.You continue:"As such, the immediate knee jerk reaction is to ban all EBRs. (but it failed BIG time for a lot of politicians the last time the left tried that and I can tell you why)"Again more politics and labeling the reaction to this horrific event "knee jerk" telling us that you are not taking things people are saying about the tragedy seriously and you don't think much of the reaction. Well, the reactions I recall to what happened had to do with yet another mass shooting, the deaths of children, dealing with mental illness in the country in a better way, and finding a way to prevent this kind of thing happening again including ways to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them. As far as I recall I don't remember anybody screaming about "evil black rifles" and banning them all...I do recall talk of reinstating the assault weapons ban of 1994 which had bipartisan support...see the following:-----------May 3, 1994
To Members of the U.S. House of Representatives:We are writing to urge your support for a ban on the domestic manufacture of military-style assault weapons. This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety. Although assault weapons account for less than 1% of the guns in circulation, they account for nearly 10% of the guns traced to crime.Every major law enforcement organization in America and dozens of leading labor, medical, religious, civil rights and civic groups support such a ban. Most importantly, poll after poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly support a ban on assault weapons. A 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll found that 77% of Americans support a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of semi-automatic assault guns, such as the AK-47.The 1989 import ban resulted in an impressive 40% drop in imported assault weapons traced to crime between 1989 and 1991, but the killing continues. Last year, a killer armed with two TEC9s killed eight people at a San Francisco law firm and wounded several others. During the past five years, more than 40 law enforcement officers have been killed or wounded in the line of duty by an assault weapon.While we recognize that assault weapon legislation will not stop all assault weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals. We urge you to listen to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of these weapons.Sincerely,Gerald R. FordJimmy CarterRonald Reagan----------------So, what you are babbling about is not even an accurate assessment of what is taking place but rather a reactionary rant from somebody worried about his AR-15 or that reads too much NRA propaganda. You continue in your opening post:
"I understand that (what you believe) on the very surface because I own one. I just don't think to mow down kids down with it. Or anybody else. But it does have a purpose and I am willing to talk about that."I think you may have wanted to word this in such a way that you do not seem to be mocking the idea that children were "mowed down" and I'm sure we all hope that is not something that goes through your head. Just a poor choice of words really.Then you wrap up by insulting everybody reading your post: "So ask a guy with an EBR anything and I will try to help you regain a logical sense."So, we're all illogical and the guy making smartass comments about a tragic shooting is the person we need to "help" us. It sure seems as if you have more concern about a shitty rifle than you do the tragic deaths of those children and the people you are mocking. For the record I am familiar with and have used a wide variety of weapons over the course of my life including the AR-15...so, I don't need you to tell me anything about it. You should probably have started by asking if people were familiar with these weapons rather than acting like a jackass. And you close out with:"Even though I know that on this front, you'll never understand. Here is a starter for you."Never understand what? You talk about these guns as if there is some mysterious secret behind them that you would need to journey to the top of the mountain and visit the oracle to understand...here's a clue...there's nothing to understand. You say this over and over in this thread "Oh this guy does not get it...this guy gets it!" then you post a video that appears to be a total joke. So, let me ask you this...why begin the conversation sounding like such an asshole if what you really wanted to do was to have a discussion?This was just your opening post and all you did was go downhill from there…
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'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
'The only way to avoid getting crushed by absurdity, is to humbly include the absurd in our calculations.'
posted 2013.01.19
posted on January 19th 2013
Reg
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Let's talk about gun control – Marc on January 5th, 2013-
Re: Let's talk about gun control – big@l on January 6th, 2013-
Re: Let's talk about gun control – Marc on January 6th, 2013
Re: Let's talk about gun control – edlorah on January 6th, 2013
The reason why.... – EEE on January 6th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – randym on January 7th, 2013-
It's much, much deeper.... – EEE on January 7th, 2013-
Re: It's much, much deeper.... – randym on January 7th, 2013
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – pkjensen on January 7th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – randym on January 7th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – edlorah on January 8th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – Marc on January 9th, 2013-
Re: The reason why....Ok Eric – edlorah on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – big@l on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – Marc on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – edlorah on January 9th, 2013-
Re: Marc can you please give me – Peter T. on January 10th, 2013
Re: Let's talk about gun control – Andrea on January 8th, 2013-
Outta Here – Peter T. on January 8th, 2013-
Re: Outta Here – Marc on January 9th, 2013-
Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – EEE on January 10th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 10th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – edlorah on January 10th, 2013
Again...you prove my point.... – EEE on January 11th, 2013
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Andrea on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – edlorah on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 12th, 2013
this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – messybear on January 14th, 2013-
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – Dan on January 14th, 2013
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – edlorah on January 14th, 2013-
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – messybear on January 15th, 2013
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 15th, 2013-
Re: this reply is again why we should discuss guns and violence... – Kathryn on January 16th, 2013
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Andrea on January 12th, 2013
Re: Again...this reply is again why we can't discuss guns and violence... – Marc on January 11th, 2013
Re: Outta Here – Dan on January 10th, 2013-
Re: Outta Here – Marc on January 11th, 2013-
Re: Outta Here – Dan on January 11th, 2013-
Good article on guns and NRA...what I've been saying for years... – EEE on January 11th, 2013-
Money For Something – Peter T. on January 11th, 2013
Re: Good article on guns and NRA...what I've been saying for years... – Marc on January 11th, 2013-
Marc.....why don't you just stick your head up.... – EEE on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Marc.....why don't you just stick your head up.... – Marc on January 12th, 2013-
I'm done...you are a waste of my time... – EEE on January 12th, 2013-
Re: I'm done...you are a waste of my time... – Marc on January 12th, 2013
Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 12th, 2013-
not Sorry, This is gonna smoke a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 13th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 13th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 15th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Reg on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 19th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 19th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 19th, 2013-
Try reading today's idiots with guns round-up... – Reg on January 19th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 28th, 2013-
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – heathcliffe on January 30th, 2013
Let's start with your opening gambit, Marc... – Reg on January 19th, 2013
How sick are some of these gun owners groups... – Reg on January 19th, 2013-
If you were to, how would you reply to this cogent opinion, Marc? – messybear on February 10th, 2013-
Since Marc is not going to reply I'll offer this on his behalf...and really fasten your seatbelts... – Reg on February 13th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 17th, 2013-
Don't know what to tell you, Mess... – Reg on January 17th, 2013-
Re: Don't know what to tell you, Mess... – Marc on January 18th, 2013
Re: Sorry, Marc, this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 18th, 2013
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – Marc on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – edlorah on January 12th, 2013-
Re: Sorry . . . this is gonna sound a little harsh but...well...you asked for it... – messybear on January 12th, 2013-
yeah but – big@l on January 13th, 2013-
Re: yeah but – Kathryn on January 13th, 2013-
Article released today – Kathryn on January 13th, 2013
Here's a video for you while you are waiting to be enslaved, Marc... – Reg on January 19th, 2013-
Re: Here's a video for you while you are waiting to be enslaved, Marc... – Dslacker on January 26th, 2013
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