Reg and David, your responses to Marc were thoughtful and begging for replies to your questions for him. But those responses never came—and they never will. At this point in the discussion you'd like to think Marc is off in a quiet space considering all you've told him. I know personally that this process doesn't happen overnight or in the boundaries of a particular thread but you want to believe you're at least planting seeds that may take root at some point. That's what happened in my case but that was years ago and these are different times.
If someone is still a Trump adherent after the botched Covid response; the tens of thousands of lies (I'm being kind); the pilfered documents and the obstruction associated with them; the civil conviction for rape; the denegrating of service members who gave their lives in service to our country; Trump's standing in the way of a fix at our southern border while standing in the way of aid to Ukraine; praising Putin and the world's other dictators (I could go on and on), and sitting on his ass for more than 3 hours not lifting a finger to help quell a riot/insurrection where people died because of him, there's really no hope for that person.
None.
They've been propagandized.
Because of my own transformation and how much work it took those who came alongside me to help me see so much of what I was ignorant of, I'm generally someone who now goes out of my way to try and reach people and help them see another perspective (I do have my limits tho and Marc is someone that I don't see any value in trying to help because he's not interested in being helped). I understand that it requires one to admit they're wrong and then go about the humbling work of dismantelling so much of what they used to believe in and start over. It's a daunting thing to consider, and because of that, many simply won't. For me, it came down to being honest with myself. I could've kept on pushing back on all of you here but I'd have only been fooling myself. I've lost friends over this. Hell, I've lost family relationships over this. But I no longer lose sleep over it and I no longer play the fool trying to defend the indefensible.
Kevin g
